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Question about Pre-1939 Basketball National Champions
Posted on 2/11/15 at 10:44 am
Posted on 2/11/15 at 10:44 am
Isn't the Helms Award the national standard that the media and historical gurus point to from this era? I love cbb history and appreciate your input! I'll check back later...I have to take my memaw to bingo at the American Legion. Thanks!
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Posted on 2/11/15 at 10:49 am to TheSwineAssault
LSU got one 
Posted on 2/11/15 at 10:52 am to NorthshoreTiger76
Posted on 2/11/15 at 10:54 am to TheSwineAssault
Wow, Army was a powerhouse during World War II in football and basketball.
Posted on 2/11/15 at 10:56 am to Arksulli
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Wow, Army was a powerhouse during World War II in football and basketball.
drafting recruits..
This post was edited on 2/11/15 at 12:20 pm
Posted on 2/11/15 at 10:56 am to TheSwineAssault
If I send Memaw a dollar, will she play a card for me?....can Memaw be trusted?
Posted on 2/11/15 at 10:57 am to TheSwineAssault
Posted on 2/11/15 at 10:57 am to coachcrisp
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If I send Memaw a dollar, will she play a card for me?....can Memaw be trusted?
nah
Posted on 2/11/15 at 10:58 am to NorthshoreTiger76
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We claim some American Legion Bowl champs
Memaw won one back in 1937!This post was edited on 2/11/15 at 12:21 pm
Posted on 2/11/15 at 11:03 am to TheSwineAssault
quote:Thanks for your honesty....oh, by the way. Do you know the best way to make your memaw say "frick"?
If I send Memaw a dollar, will she play a card for me?....can Memaw be trusted? nah
Posted on 2/11/15 at 11:13 am to coachcrisp
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Thanks for your honesty....oh, by the way. Do you know the best way to make your memaw say "bingo"?
Posted on 2/11/15 at 11:21 am to TheSwineAssault
Posted on 2/11/15 at 11:39 am to TheSwineAssault
Helms is an oddity. It's a retroactive award that very few schools actually count. For instance, Kentucky does not count theirs. On the other hand, second rate programs such as UNC will hang banners for them (perhaps to offset the impending reduction in NCAA titles). I wouldn't trust a Helms trophy. That said, it's a hell of a lot more legitimate than the one LSU claims.
Posted on 2/11/15 at 12:22 pm to TheSwineAssault
Posted on 2/11/15 at 12:26 pm to LegendOfCobb
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That said, it's a hell of a lot more legitimate than the one LSU claims.
Gotta side with LSU on this one. Teams that won on the court deserve it more than Helms' mathematical formula. See: pre-NCAA tournament playoff games.
Posted on 2/11/15 at 12:30 pm to BluegrassBelle
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Jon Scott at the Big Blue History stat site has a big spiel on Helms Titles.
nice
Posted on 2/11/15 at 12:33 pm to TheDude321
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Gotta side with LSU on this one. Teams that won on the court deserve it more than Helms' mathematical formula. See: pre-NCAA tournament playoff games.
From link by BluegrassBelle.....
The Louisiana State Tigers were invited to face Pittsburgh in the "American Legion Bowl", in a game touted to be "for the national collegiate championship" despite the fact that Pittsburgh (and arguably LSU) were not considered the top teams in their respective regions of the country. The Tigers won the game 41-37, and determined to call themselves national champions based on the win (although the Helms Award went to New York University).
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Posted on 2/11/15 at 12:34 pm to TheSwineAssault
Helms is the pre tourney standard....
Posted on 2/11/15 at 1:11 pm to TheDude321
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Gotta side with LSU on this one. Teams that won on the court deserve it more than Helms' mathematical formula.
oh, win IT on the court? I'm going to begin counting UK's wins over Transylvania University as national titles. We won a basketball game. National title.
Posted on 2/11/15 at 1:35 pm to LegendOfCobb
If it makes you feel any better even though there is a banner, most fans don't claim LSU basketball has won a natty.
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