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Posted on 12/29/14 at 9:05 am to DragginFly
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4) Let Richt be the OC/HC and save a bunch.
That's not going to happen so I didn't include it.
Posted on 12/29/14 at 9:05 am to dallasga6
Met him once. His father owned a lucrative development company and Sachin and his brother own subsidiary's of that company. Met with him in 09 about giving their companies a locked in price on concrete for all of their projects in Atlanta. I don't know if he was on the BOR then and if he was he never mentioned it.
Posted on 12/29/14 at 9:13 am to Crowknowsbest
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You've got a chicken and egg problem here
I don't think so. It is a pretty simple case of paying for the results you have gotten. As an employer and an employee I know that results are what matters. If an employee of mine wants to earn more become more valuable to me....don't promise me you will become more valuable if I buy you a tool because that is what I orotund expect and the capital investment would be in the tool (an IPF I this case) not the person managing said tool. As an employee I would never dream of asking for a raise or more of a commitment for my employer if I did not have something stellar to,point to as evidence of my worth. Mark Richt has a close but no cigar moment in 2012 that boiled down to coaching, not the lack of an indoor practice facility of a slew of high priced assistants (we stood toe to toe with the eventual national champions).
It may well be that Mark Richt needs better assistants (more money), better facilities (more money) but the fact of the matter is that none of this excuses losses at Sputh Carolina, Florida or Georgia Tech this season....all of these losses, and aloof the many similar losses over the last 14 years are the result of a lack of motivation, preparation and game day adjustments. If Richt did not have a track record of doing more less with more the argument that he needed or deserved more would be valid....the fact that he has a 14 year track record replete with instances of simple poor coaching indicates to me that if given more he would still do less.....he needs to show a reversal of this trend...he needs to do more with less to earn even more. Next season would be a good opportunity to prove the previous 14 have been atypical.
Posted on 12/29/14 at 9:17 am to WG_Dawg
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It's going to be virtually impossible to find someone out there that is as proven as bobo. And we're probably going to hire them at roughly the same price we were paying bobo anyway.
We are going to hire an OC away from a smaller school who is not ready to be a HC just yet and we will have to wait and see if he is a good hire or not. Odds are pretty good he won't be as good as Bobo because our track record is pretty dismal.
Posted on 12/29/14 at 9:22 am to germandawg
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It is a pretty simple case of paying for the results you have gotten.
That's exactly it. Georgia has gotten exactly what it has paid for. If Georgia wants to win more, they need to pay more. It's irrational to expect a coach to win championships against other good coaches that have more resources at their disposal. It doesn't make sense. You have to put your employees in a position to succeed, or they most likely won't.
In any case, Richt won a lot in the early 2000s and got shite for support.
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It may well be that Mark Richt needs better assistants (more money), better facilities (more money) but the fact of the matter is that none of this excuses losses at Sputh Carolina, Florida or Georgia Tech this season....all of these losses, and aloof the many similar losses over the last 14 years are the result of a lack of motivation, preparation and game day adjustments. If Richt did not have a track record of doing more less with more the argument that he needed or deserved more would be valid....the fact that he has a 14 year track record replete with instances of simple poor coaching indicates to me that if given more he would still do less.....he needs to show a reversal of this trend...he needs to do more with less to earn even more. Next season would be a good opportunity to prove the previous 14 have been atypical.
I defy you to find me a coach that is infallible in-game. The solution to that is talent and depth of talent. That buys you margin of error. (See: Nick Saban, Alabama; Jimbo Fisher, FSU) When you have more talent, you have less games that are dependent on individual coaching decisions, which are imperfect.
Resources help you acquire that talent.
Posted on 12/29/14 at 9:24 am to germandawg
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We are going to hire an OC away from a smaller school who is not ready to be a HC just yet and we will have to wait and see if he is a good hire or not. Odds are pretty good he won't be as good as Bobo
I agree. So we take a massive chance (not to mention bobo's track records as QBs coach and an ace recruiter as well) replacing him at equal or less money...or we can spend fair market money and get a proven guy in here...at the same price it would've taken to just keep bobo in the first place.
The more I think about i the more upset I get with mcgarity and his miserly ways.
Posted on 12/29/14 at 9:42 am to WG_Dawg
I MISS ONE frickING DAY ON THIS BOARD
Now guys are preparing to be permanently stuck in the mud because of a frugal AD
I had my doubts about ADGM before this, but his arse has to go. He is clearly a hitch on this program and everything Mark Richt was excited about going in the right direction, the flashes of dominance we showed at times, potentially being elite on both sides of the ball for the first time in a long time, may be going down the shitter.
Damn.
Now guys are preparing to be permanently stuck in the mud because of a frugal AD
I had my doubts about ADGM before this, but his arse has to go. He is clearly a hitch on this program and everything Mark Richt was excited about going in the right direction, the flashes of dominance we showed at times, potentially being elite on both sides of the ball for the first time in a long time, may be going down the shitter.
Damn.
Posted on 12/29/14 at 9:46 am to dhuck20
I'm not saying there isn't a skosh of truth to this, but the levels of animosity you guys are talking about here reeks of standard message board over reactions.
Posted on 12/29/14 at 9:50 am to Crowknowsbest
[quote]I defy you to find me a coach that is infallible in-game. The solution to that is talent and depth of talent. That buys you margin of error. (See: Nick Saban, Alabama; Jimbo Fisher, FSU) When you have more talent, you have less games that are dependent on individual coaching decisions, which are imperfect. [/quote/]
It isn't simply game day coaching....although I would argue that Richt makes more than his share of poor decisions in game. It is a matter of day to day coaching decisions that has Richt mired in mediocrity. Not being prepared to play in big games is not a game day thing...that is systemic failing. Keeping Martinez on as DC despite mountains of evidence that he simply wasn't performing is not a game day thing. Making these kinds of decisions and working at a higher level will also give you some margin of error. If Mark Richt teams were prepared like a Nick Saban team or an Urban Meyer team I think he easily has a couple of more SEC titles and possibly a natty or two. I don't see how paying assistants more will result in a correction of these types of problems.
I would hate to see Richt leave but it is going to happen some day. I would mcu prefer he live up to his rep and ability.
It isn't simply game day coaching....although I would argue that Richt makes more than his share of poor decisions in game. It is a matter of day to day coaching decisions that has Richt mired in mediocrity. Not being prepared to play in big games is not a game day thing...that is systemic failing. Keeping Martinez on as DC despite mountains of evidence that he simply wasn't performing is not a game day thing. Making these kinds of decisions and working at a higher level will also give you some margin of error. If Mark Richt teams were prepared like a Nick Saban team or an Urban Meyer team I think he easily has a couple of more SEC titles and possibly a natty or two. I don't see how paying assistants more will result in a correction of these types of problems.
I would hate to see Richt leave but it is going to happen some day. I would mcu prefer he live up to his rep and ability.
Posted on 12/29/14 at 9:59 am to germandawg
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If Mark Richt teams were prepared like a Nick Saban team or an Urban Meyer team I think he easily has a couple of more SEC titles and possibly a natty or two.
Their teams have had more talent than ours. Their margin of error is greater. That's their main "preparation."
I forget the exact quote, but Nick Saban once said something to the effect of "you only have a truly focused team 3-4 games per season." The other 10, you're just trying to get by.
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I don't see how paying assistants more will result in a correction of these types of problems.
It's not really about paying assistants more. It's about hiring more off-field assistants. That helps you evaluate better, recruit better, game-plan better, etc. It's a hell of a lot easier to pay attention to the details when you have more employees to pay attention to the details.
Posted on 12/29/14 at 10:01 am to germandawg
this is really an interesting thread
but I feel pretty sure that the sky is not falling and that y'all are overreacting to rumors...
but I feel pretty sure that the sky is not falling and that y'all are overreacting to rumors...
Posted on 12/29/14 at 10:11 am to RedPants
quote:Of course, but any truth at all to this reeks of incompetence and a true lack of dedication to be elite in College Football at the highest and most important levels at our Unversity.
I'm not saying there isn't a skosh of truth to this, but the levels of animosity you guys are talking about here reeks of standard message board over reactions.
Posted on 12/29/14 at 10:14 am to dcbl
These "rumors" would have a lot less legs if the following was not true.
1) Our Staff pay is below our peers.
2) Our capital and facility spending appears to be behind our peers.
3) Our Head Coach admitted to paying his assistants out of his own pocket.
4) Our AD admitted that he gives a firm Staff budget to his HC and the HC has to make it work. (see #3) A staff budget that is below the teams we compete against for recruits and in the SEC.
Even if everythiing was peachy.... even if everything is peachy... we have the above to contend with...
1) Our Staff pay is below our peers.
2) Our capital and facility spending appears to be behind our peers.
3) Our Head Coach admitted to paying his assistants out of his own pocket.
4) Our AD admitted that he gives a firm Staff budget to his HC and the HC has to make it work. (see #3) A staff budget that is below the teams we compete against for recruits and in the SEC.
Even if everythiing was peachy.... even if everything is peachy... we have the above to contend with...
Posted on 12/29/14 at 10:16 am to Crowknowsbest
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I forget the exact quote, but Nick Saban once said something to the effect of "you only have a truly focused team 3-4 games per season." The other 10, you're just trying to get by.
I agree....the difference is that champions are focused in those 4 games and also fans are focused in in 2 or fewer....and that is us.
Getting blown out by West Virginia on a national stage is more harmful to recruiting and winning the talent war than an IPF is.....Richt did that.
Consistently making clock management errors limits your margins of error....Richt does this regularly and has since season 1.
Being unprepared or at least less prepared in big games limits the amount of talent you can recruit and limits your margins of error. The blackout game against Alabama is a good indication of what being unprepared looks like. Florida this year is another great example....wins against Florida and GT this year gives you loads of room for error for a couple of years....those losses make the margin razor thin. None of this has to do with money or facilities....it is all about being mentally tough and getting ready. Yes, it only takes 3 or 4 times each year...but when you fail one or two of those you re mediocre at best.....
Posted on 12/29/14 at 10:19 am to Peter Buck
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These "rumors" would have a lot less legs if the following was not true.
1) Our Staff pay is below our peers.
2) Our capital and facility spending appears to be behind our peers.
3) Our Head Coach admitted to paying his assistants out of his own pocket.
4) Our AD admitted that he gives a firm Staff budget to his HC and the HC has to make it work. (see #3) A staff budget that is below the teams we compete against for recruits and in the SEC.
Even if everythiing was peachy.... even if everything is peachy... we have the above to contend with...
I can't argue with that. Definitely annoying, almost makes me question why I get so invested if the administration isn't just as equally.
Posted on 12/29/14 at 10:21 am to Crowknowsbest
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It's about hiring more off-field assistants. That helps you evaluate better, recruit better, game-plan better, etc. It's a hell of a lot easier to pay attention to the details when you have more employees to pay attention to the details.
Hammer meet nail... Bama, LSU, Aub etc have anywhere from 3-7 (we have 3 ttl) more ancillary "analysts" than UGA whose job is to handle the little things (paperwork, recruiting updates, film breakdowns, statistics breakdowns & evaluations, logistics scheduling etc...) allowing their 10 coaches more time to gameplan & prepare...
Posted on 12/29/14 at 10:21 am to germandawg
This year, Georgia was truly focused against Clemson, Missouri, and Auburn (especially) imo. That's 3 (about what you can expect). We didn't have the talent to get by in the other games.
Posted on 12/29/14 at 10:24 am to dcbl
As Seth Emerson and Gentry Estes both agreed, Bobo was gone the moment CSU offered the job and there was no amount of money UGA could have thrown at the issue to remedy it.
Given that bit of info, I think a lot of this fear mongering is based on faulty assumptions and info. Honestly, we have nothing substantial to go off in believing that Richt and McGarity are at war other than rampant rumors and speculation that breeds even more rumors. Let's look at what we do know:
- McGarity allowed Richt to force Grantham out and to hire Pruitt shortly thereafter.
- McGarity approved the hiring of numerous analysts and assistants that UGA did not have prior to now.
- McGarity has signed off on an IPF already. That's not that it is being discussed. That is he has already approved spending of hundreds of thousands on an architect to plot out and design the damn thing. It's on its way.
- McGarity is engaging in discussions over preliminary ideas for a redesigned locker room and recruiting room at Sanford brought to him by Richt.
- The UGA football staff is generally underpaid relative to comparable programs.
- There are many other areas (facilities, staff size, etc.) in which expansion or renovation is possible but has not yet been undertaken.
- There was no public statement made with regard to Mike Bobo. There has been no mention of a counter offer or what it might have entailed by those who would actually know.
Given all that, this is what I think:
Let it play out.
Win Tuesday. Lose, and only more questions will arise.
Hire at least an OC before the dead period ends in a couple of weeks. Fail to do so and watch our recruiting class fall to pieces.
Right now, I'm willing to bet things work out well given the circumstances and we'll have weathered yet another storm as fans and a program. But, I've been wrong before.
Given that bit of info, I think a lot of this fear mongering is based on faulty assumptions and info. Honestly, we have nothing substantial to go off in believing that Richt and McGarity are at war other than rampant rumors and speculation that breeds even more rumors. Let's look at what we do know:
- McGarity allowed Richt to force Grantham out and to hire Pruitt shortly thereafter.
- McGarity approved the hiring of numerous analysts and assistants that UGA did not have prior to now.
- McGarity has signed off on an IPF already. That's not that it is being discussed. That is he has already approved spending of hundreds of thousands on an architect to plot out and design the damn thing. It's on its way.
- McGarity is engaging in discussions over preliminary ideas for a redesigned locker room and recruiting room at Sanford brought to him by Richt.
- The UGA football staff is generally underpaid relative to comparable programs.
- There are many other areas (facilities, staff size, etc.) in which expansion or renovation is possible but has not yet been undertaken.
- There was no public statement made with regard to Mike Bobo. There has been no mention of a counter offer or what it might have entailed by those who would actually know.
Given all that, this is what I think:
Let it play out.
Win Tuesday. Lose, and only more questions will arise.
Hire at least an OC before the dead period ends in a couple of weeks. Fail to do so and watch our recruiting class fall to pieces.
Right now, I'm willing to bet things work out well given the circumstances and we'll have weathered yet another storm as fans and a program. But, I've been wrong before.
Posted on 12/29/14 at 10:24 am to Crowknowsbest
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We didn't have the talent to get by in the other games.
we absolutely did. Auburn (MAYBE) was the only team we played that could match up with us 22 for 22 with talent. We didn't lose any of our 3 games due to not being talented enough.
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