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Posted on 11/18/14 at 9:08 pm
Posted on 11/18/14 at 9:08 pm
Alabama has probably the best tight end in the country. Where is this guy?
Posted on 11/18/14 at 9:13 pm to Yellowhammer90
He's nowhere close to the best tight end in the country. Below average blocker, average hands, scared of contact, can't catch in traffic.
OJ has all the physical potential in the world, but he is not a great football player right now. I wish our fans would quit clamoring for him to get the ball.
OJ has all the physical potential in the world, but he is not a great football player right now. I wish our fans would quit clamoring for him to get the ball.
Posted on 11/18/14 at 9:19 pm to Yellowhammer90
People are over stating his flaws, imo.
He didn't get targeted a lot last year, but I don't recall many drops. Seems like another case of Sophomore Stone hands.
I don't really care if he can block or not, he has too much physical talent not to play every down.
Kiffin will feature him next year, imo. I think he'll have a HUGE year.
He didn't get targeted a lot last year, but I don't recall many drops. Seems like another case of Sophomore Stone hands.
I don't really care if he can block or not, he has too much physical talent not to play every down.
Kiffin will feature him next year, imo. I think he'll have a HUGE year.
Posted on 11/18/14 at 9:25 pm to Yellowhammer90
OJ was way overrated. Look like Tarzan, play like Jane.
He got muscled out by a 5'9" cb for Gods sake.
He got muscled out by a 5'9" cb for Gods sake.
Posted on 11/18/14 at 9:30 pm to Yellowhammer90
I wish we'd use him more in the short and intermediate passing game. It'd take some of the pressure off Coop. We seem intent on hitting him for big gainers when I'd be fine with using him primarily as a chain-mover the way most teams use their TEs
Posted on 11/18/14 at 9:41 pm to Yellowhammer90
Small school player asked to play big boy football from the jump. He didn't even dominate consistently at Autauga Academy, despite being bigger and faster than everyone.
He's still a piece of marble that hasn't really been chiseled into a football player yet. It shows what he's relied on most of his career. Technical are there, in catching, in route running, and in blocking. Despite what his 40 time is, it doesn't translate off the snap or getting up. 2 of his best TDs(LSU and Arkansas) come on plays where clearing routes are ran, putting him in a situation to just outrun his man on a slant.
He's likely never gonna be a great blocker, which causes a lot of ire from Saban. He doesn't like skill players who can't block, especially not TEs.
In the words of Bill Walsh,
It clicked with Vogler, a very raw TE prospect, so I'm confident Howard can turn it around to some degree. He's got 2 years to turn into the TE everyone(including himself) hope he can be. 2015 will be important, the "it" position is up for grabs. He can take it if he puts in the work, or risk being the guy who helps cause the mismatch for ________ again.
He's still a piece of marble that hasn't really been chiseled into a football player yet. It shows what he's relied on most of his career. Technical are there, in catching, in route running, and in blocking. Despite what his 40 time is, it doesn't translate off the snap or getting up. 2 of his best TDs(LSU and Arkansas) come on plays where clearing routes are ran, putting him in a situation to just outrun his man on a slant.
He's likely never gonna be a great blocker, which causes a lot of ire from Saban. He doesn't like skill players who can't block, especially not TEs.
In the words of Bill Walsh,
quote:
"Now when you get to blocking with this person it will be all technique. He is going to have to develop those techniques that he can use with reasonable effectiveness against defensive linemen and linebackers. His ability to absorb and learn technique is critical because he is not going to be able to play mass against mass."
It clicked with Vogler, a very raw TE prospect, so I'm confident Howard can turn it around to some degree. He's got 2 years to turn into the TE everyone(including himself) hope he can be. 2015 will be important, the "it" position is up for grabs. He can take it if he puts in the work, or risk being the guy who helps cause the mismatch for ________ again.
Posted on 11/18/14 at 9:48 pm to Yellowhammer90
OJ is just raw as hell. The potential is off the charts. The substance just isn't there yet. 2015 will be a turning point for him. Hopefully in the right direction.
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Posted on 11/18/14 at 9:52 pm to Yellowhammer90
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probably the best tight end in the country

Posted on 11/18/14 at 9:54 pm to Dubosed
I say let's just move him to receiver
Posted on 11/18/14 at 9:56 pm to MagillaGuerilla
I agree. I think he has the potential to be elite but thus far it hasn't translated to on the field performance. For some players it never does. For now, I'm taking a wait and see approach.
Think about someone like Ragland. The potential was always there but after 2 years most would have said that he hadn't lived up to it. It really clicked for him this year. Will the same thing happen with OJ? I don't know but I'm hopeful it will
Think about someone like Ragland. The potential was always there but after 2 years most would have said that he hadn't lived up to it. It really clicked for him this year. Will the same thing happen with OJ? I don't know but I'm hopeful it will
Posted on 11/18/14 at 10:17 pm to sarc
Good point on Ragland, hell, there was a decent majority who wanted him at TE this year. For as many LBs Bama had produced, it was a little different actually having to wait on one. Getting him on the field really did wonders, rapidly growing into the role week by week.
Howard hasn't found a winning combination yet on the field, breaking even on effectiveness. His problems aren't fix as you go, it's gonna take more time to bring it out of him. Coaching staff can(nb4 jab at Bobbeh), but at the same time, they're trying to win a championship too.
Take the Blake Sims approach next Summer, go out and hire a coach to help you. Sucks to have to spend your free time like that, but that's sometimes what the best have to do.
Howard hasn't found a winning combination yet on the field, breaking even on effectiveness. His problems aren't fix as you go, it's gonna take more time to bring it out of him. Coaching staff can(nb4 jab at Bobbeh), but at the same time, they're trying to win a championship too.
Take the Blake Sims approach next Summer, go out and hire a coach to help you. Sucks to have to spend your free time like that, but that's sometimes what the best have to do.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 12:43 am to Yellowhammer90
because he's not.... yet.
It really pains me because, for the first bit of the season O.J. was getting snubbed and it felt like we had a huge weapon at our disposal that Saban and Kiffin were just ignoring. There was worries that he'd get fed up and transfer....
and then the Ole Miss game. Had he responded and been half the tight end we were hoping that game would have been pretty different. (no I'm not pinning the loss on anyone but damn he had a rough game). Since then he's been getting his mojo back but he still lacks consistency.
It really pains me because, for the first bit of the season O.J. was getting snubbed and it felt like we had a huge weapon at our disposal that Saban and Kiffin were just ignoring. There was worries that he'd get fed up and transfer....
and then the Ole Miss game. Had he responded and been half the tight end we were hoping that game would have been pretty different. (no I'm not pinning the loss on anyone but damn he had a rough game). Since then he's been getting his mojo back but he still lacks consistency.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 7:19 am to Lordofwrath88
There's NO freaking way a 5"9 CB should take the ball from a 6"6 guy that's build like a Greek God. NO FREAKING WAY!!
I love the guy and his potential but it appears that right now he's suffering from DJ Hall syndrome.
I love the guy and his potential but it appears that right now he's suffering from DJ Hall syndrome.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 7:22 am to Lordofwrath88
He definitely hasn't lived up to his potential, but his two catches and subsequent runs straight out of bounds were crucial to us beating LSU, so I just can't hate on the guy.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 8:19 am to mre
It's simple really, move him to WR and have the Mike Evans effect. Let Brandon Greene be the TE as he can block and catch, doesn't have to be fast.
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