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re: Can anyone enlighten me about Genetically Modified Organisms (GMOs)
Posted on 5/29/14 at 12:40 am to Henry Jones Jr
Posted on 5/29/14 at 12:40 am to Henry Jones Jr
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Well since he has worked on catfish farms a good portion of his life and owns his own farm, I'd say it's safe to say he knows exponentially more about farming than some random person on the internet does.
Ironically I farm as well.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 12:42 am to Sleeping Tiger
It's actually pretty good, but after watching it I didn't want to eat meat for a couple days. It spends a good amount of time describing Monsanto and them bankrupting small farms through lawsuits. It covers poultry and beef too. It's on Netflix if you have spare time. It's definitely one of those documentaries with an agenda though, and my take away from those is usually that a problem exists, but there's a side that I never really got to hear.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 12:42 am to Sleeping Tiger
Be honest, you grow pot don't you?
Posted on 5/29/14 at 12:50 am to Crimson G
It's been years since I watched a netflix documentary. That kind of stuff may have bits and pieces that are beneficial to see but overall there are a lot better ways to invest your time when trying to learn about something.
This post was edited on 5/29/14 at 12:51 am
Posted on 5/29/14 at 1:22 am to TheDrunkenTigah
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Why do you have to pay extra and go through silly hoops to grow organic, while GMO farms get free money in the form of subsidies?
You don't numb nuts. You're paying more for 'organic' because the guy who grew it lost half his 1 acre plot to an easily prevented parasite, on top of his total yield already being lower because his 'heirloom' seed had actually adapted to the area it was produced and sucks in his zone.
Actually you do.
You have to pay and go through hoops to get certified as organic while a big portion of GMO farming receives subsidies from the government.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 2:43 am to Sleeping Tiger
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Ironically I farm as well.
There is absolutely nothing ironic about that.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 10:16 am to Sleeping Tiger
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You have to pay and go through hoops to get certified as organic while a big portion of GMO farming receives subsidies from the government.
Oh, I see you were just trolling. Carry on.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 10:27 am to TheDrunkenTigah
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Oh, I see you were just trolling. Carry on.
It's really the reason the non-GMOs are pushing this issue though. Money, money, money. The non GMO products are more expensive and therefore less attractive to the public. They're trying to drive the cost up on GMO products to make their products more competitive.
This post was edited on 5/29/14 at 10:28 am
Posted on 5/29/14 at 10:31 am to Porter Osborne Jr
I don't know enough about GMO's to have a strong opinion on them, but given Monsato's involvement with them I'm skeptical of them.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 11:00 am to the808bass
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The non GMO products are more expensive and therefore less attractive to the public. They're trying to drive the cost up on GMO products to make their products more competitive.
This is true, but they don't want subsidies to end, they want them expanded. The most recent farm bill raised the allotment 150% specifically to pay organic farmers' costs to be certified. They really just want a bigger piece of the pie while keeping a trendy label the average soccer mom believes will give her superpowers.
The only crops that receive substantial subsidies are the big 5 commodities (wheat, corn, soybeans, rice, and cotton). Curiously enough, the organic debate over these crops only arises if they are put into a form that can be labeled on a shelf, usually indirectly as animal feed or in processed foods. There's little stopping an organic producer from getting the same subsidies the large farms get on these crops, they just choose not to produce them because the cost of sub-par farming methods would sink them.
Vegetable, meat, and dairy producers receive little to no assistance, and these are really the areas where the 'organic' money is up for grabs. What organic farmers want is more subsidies (that other farmers don't get) to offset their shitty farming methods, while still whoring out the label.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 11:06 am to Porter Osborne Jr
I didn't read the thread past the first few posts, but that linked article seems pretty stupid to me.
'If you're health conscious, instead of drinking michelob ultra that has less than 100 calories and like 2 carbs, drink this other beer instead that has about 150 calories and 10 carbs'
Seems counterproductive.
'If you're health conscious, instead of drinking michelob ultra that has less than 100 calories and like 2 carbs, drink this other beer instead that has about 150 calories and 10 carbs'
Seems counterproductive.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 11:23 am to Sleeping Tiger
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Efficiency, are you kidding me?
They make them purchase seeds every year to profit, it has nothing to do with efficiency for the farmer.
How long you been farmin'?
The seed they buy has a higher germination rate than the seed left from the plant.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 11:34 am to Sleeping Tiger
I've never heard a farmer say they were forced to buy seeds when they didn't want to buy seeds.
Then again what farmer wouldn't want to buy seeds every year? It maximizes production and allows for planning when you know exactly what you plant in the ground
Then again what farmer wouldn't want to buy seeds every year? It maximizes production and allows for planning when you know exactly what you plant in the ground
Posted on 5/29/14 at 11:44 am to Sleeping Tiger
Well if you're going to sell a product labeled as organic then you should have to prove it is truly organic. Otherwise people will use non organic techniques to increase production and label it organic to sell at a higher price than non organic but lower than true organic in order to dominate a market
Posted on 5/29/14 at 12:14 pm to deltaland
and yet if you are going to sell a gmo you don't have to label it all, or do anything except accept your subsidies from the farm bill
Posted on 5/29/14 at 12:16 pm to MIZ_COU
You can sell organic and don't have to label it as organic.
Hard to justify the higher price, though, amirite?
Hard to justify the higher price, though, amirite?
Posted on 5/29/14 at 12:17 pm to the808bass
Whatever. Nice deflection. Way to ignore the gmo entirely
This post was edited on 5/29/14 at 12:19 pm
Posted on 5/29/14 at 12:21 pm to MIZ_COU
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Whatever. Nice deflection. Way to ignore the gmo entirely
It was a direct response to your labeling criticism.
You can grow organic all you want. You don't have to label it as organic to sell it. No one is forcing organic growers to get organic labeling. They want it so they can justify their higher price.
They also want GMOs to have to pay for labeling. Sucks to suck.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 12:22 pm to Bama Bird
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sorta like gluten
Especially since the whole gluten thing has been proven false...
Posted on 5/29/14 at 12:24 pm to the808bass
They want gmo's to change corn in the ingredients to gmo corn. I'm sure they can pay for it with about 1% of their subsidy. organic is organic, gmo is gmo. perhaps you could stick to one or the other for the duration of one post
quote:you're the expert
sucks to suck
This post was edited on 5/29/14 at 12:27 pm
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