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re: "Christians didn't invent marriage. Why do they think they can define it."
Posted on 4/23/14 at 10:39 am to REBEL5 AC
Posted on 4/23/14 at 10:39 am to REBEL5 AC
I'm curious as to when it became "wrong" to let your religious convictions affect how you vote and what you do and do not support from a legislative perspective.
Everyone has something that shapes what they view as right and wrong and what should be acceptable and what shouldn't be acceptable in a public setting. The views that everyone hold affect the way they approach politics and legislation.
Some people have religion shape their opinions in such matters. Should they be denied a vote or a say just because the root of their opinion is based on their theology rather than pragmatic secularism?
The government cannot force people to worship a certain way or believe in a certain religion. That doesn't mean they can't pass practical laws that are supported by religious opinions and beliefs.
Everyone has something that shapes what they view as right and wrong and what should be acceptable and what shouldn't be acceptable in a public setting. The views that everyone hold affect the way they approach politics and legislation.
Some people have religion shape their opinions in such matters. Should they be denied a vote or a say just because the root of their opinion is based on their theology rather than pragmatic secularism?
The government cannot force people to worship a certain way or believe in a certain religion. That doesn't mean they can't pass practical laws that are supported by religious opinions and beliefs.
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Posted on 4/23/14 at 10:46 am to FooManChoo
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I'm curious as to when it became "wrong" to let your religious convictions affect how you vote and what you do and do not support from a legislative perspective.
It's not wrong. I disagree with the perspective, but that doesn't make it wrong.
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Some people have religion shape their opinions in such matters.
That's fine, but I believe truly missing the point of Christianity. Jesus wasn't interested in the affairs of state, He was interested in the laws of God. So within the Christian faith marriage is seen as within the laws of God. From that perspective, the only thing you should view as a marriage is within the church. What the state calls marriage is irrelevant.
Let the state do what the state does, you worry about doing things right by the Laws of God for yourself and faith.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 10:56 am to Duke
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Duke
damn solid post
Posted on 4/23/14 at 10:56 am to Duke
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Jesus wasn't interested in the affairs of state, He was interested in the laws of God.
Correct.
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What the state calls marriage is irrelevant.
Let the state do what the state does, you worry about doing things right by the Laws of God for yourself and faith.
Until the state forces those laws upon religious individuals. Take the provision in Obamacare and the Hobby Lobby lawsuit. That is the state forcing people to provide products that they believe are against God's laws.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 10:59 am to Alahunter
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That is the state forcing people to provide products that they believe are against God's laws.
What about my political posts make you think I agree with that happening? I think Hobby Lobby is being ridiculous and stupid, but I believe in freedom. It's their call.
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Posted on 4/23/14 at 10:59 am to Duke
quote:While I understand that sentiment, a Christian should be concerned with holiness in all aspects of life.
That's fine, but I believe truly missing the point of Christianity. Jesus wasn't interested in the affairs of state, He was interested in the laws of God. So within the Christian faith marriage is seen as within the laws of God. From that perspective, the only thing you should view as a marriage is within the church. What the state calls marriage is irrelevant.
Let the state do what the state does, you worry about doing things right by the Laws of God for yourself and faith.
A Christian parent teaches their children to act in ways that honor God. A Christian seeks to change the behavior of unbelievers by witnessing to them and sharing the Gospel so that God would change their hearts and give them a desire to repent and act in a more sanctified way. A Christian citizen seeks to change the actions of his government by voting his conscience.
Christians aren't meant to be monks that live in the cloister of their homes and keep their faith to themselves. We can and should seek to change the world for the better (as we see it) where we have the opportunity to do so. One way to do that is through the political process.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:00 am to FooManChoo
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Christians aren't meant to be monks that live in the cloister of their homes and keep their faith to themselves. We can and should seek to change the world for the better (as we see it) where we have the opportunity to do so. One way to do that is through the political process.
What are your views on welfare?
Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:02 am to Duke
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I think Hobby Lobby is being ridiculous and stupid, but I believe in freedom. It's their call.
I love you Duke
Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:04 am to Duke
Why is Hobby Lobby being ridiculous and stupid?
And if people feel their religious beliefs are being interfered with by Gov't, then it shouldn't be an issue for them to be proactive in a Republic, and attempt to have laws that reflect what they want. Just like any other group does, including homosexuals.
The real issue, is that the Feds have interpreted (wrongly, I think) and have begun usurping State's rights, once again on the issue. The Founding Fathers intended for States to have greater authority than the Feds are giving them now. One size does not fit all in a country as large as the U.S. is. This is just another example of the will of the people in each State, being overridden by the minority.
And if people feel their religious beliefs are being interfered with by Gov't, then it shouldn't be an issue for them to be proactive in a Republic, and attempt to have laws that reflect what they want. Just like any other group does, including homosexuals.
The real issue, is that the Feds have interpreted (wrongly, I think) and have begun usurping State's rights, once again on the issue. The Founding Fathers intended for States to have greater authority than the Feds are giving them now. One size does not fit all in a country as large as the U.S. is. This is just another example of the will of the people in each State, being overridden by the minority.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:05 am to Hardy_Har
I always think of that guy Voltron and defending to the death one's right to say something.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:06 am to Duke
Don't get mad at someone elses beliefs, but be fired up about your own..
This post was edited on 4/23/14 at 11:07 am
Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:06 am to Duke
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What are your views on welfare?
The system needs to be revamped. As it is now, it does more harm than good. Religious organizations provide welfare all across the country, with soup kitchens, providing clothing, educational opportunities in some instances. Trying to trap that statement by having someone say that current welfare is bad, is being shortsighted.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:06 am to FooManChoo
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Christians aren't meant to be monks that live in the cloister of their homes and keep their faith to themselves. We can and should seek to change the world for the better (as we see it) where we have the opportunity to do so. One way to do that is through the political process.
Didn't Jesus say not to get in people's faces with your religion and to keep it in your home (Matthew 6:5-6)? I also think I remember something about politics and not being interested in it...a bit about Caesar and a coin...maybe I'm crazy.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:07 am to KSGamecock
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...maybe I'm crazy.
You're not.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:09 am to Alahunter
I think the opposition to birth control is ridiculous and stupid. I stand right there next to them though, because they have that right. In a free society they should as long as they aren't actively violating someone else's right.
Also we are of like mind on a return to federalism. It gives more freedom to deal with localized issues and the more local the government the more effect it has on your life. The voter has a greater stake in the actual affairs instead of the right/left game we're in now. Look at the St. George debates on the OT and Poli Board. Conservatives vs Conservatives because the consequences far more direct.
Also we are of like mind on a return to federalism. It gives more freedom to deal with localized issues and the more local the government the more effect it has on your life. The voter has a greater stake in the actual affairs instead of the right/left game we're in now. Look at the St. George debates on the OT and Poli Board. Conservatives vs Conservatives because the consequences far more direct.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:09 am to Hardy_Har
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I love you Duke
I do too. No homo
Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:11 am to Duke
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I think the opposition to birth control is ridiculous and stupid
It's not just opposition, it's being forced to provide it, when it's against their religious beliefs.
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Also we are of like mind on a return to federalism. It gives more freedom to deal with localized issues and the more local the government the more effect it has on your life. The voter has a greater stake in the actual affairs instead of the right/left game we're in now
Each state had been passing their own laws on gay marriage. Some allowed it, some didn't. This is the way it should work. Each state deciding for themselves.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:14 am to Alahunter
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Trying to trap that statement by having someone say that current welfare is bad, is being shortsighted.
I'm pointing out a logical inconsistency assuming he takes your view.
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It's not just opposition, it's being forced to provide it, when it's against their religious beliefs.
Which I have stated at least three times that I'm not ok with that. I disagree with their view on BC, not their right to express it and follow it.
This post was edited on 4/23/14 at 11:17 am
Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:15 am to Vols&Shaft83
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I do too. No homo
Titties for all.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:21 am to KSGamecock
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Didn't Jesus say not to get in people's faces with your religion and to keep it in your home
No.
Ever heard of the great commission?
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