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re: What Common Core is teaching kids - nsfw? you be the judge
Posted on 2/21/14 at 11:29 am to heartbreakTiger
Posted on 2/21/14 at 11:29 am to heartbreakTiger
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I can see how showing the truth behind sex could work.
Stats told me in did from Straws article. Not going to argue with math.
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It is a lot harder to convey the same message with drugs and alcohol because the levels vary so much and just because you toke doesn't men you will end up living in a van down by the river.
I just want addiction to be looked at as the public health issue it is and not a criminal issue.
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Posted on 2/21/14 at 11:32 am to Duke
Different children mature at different times. My daughter is 9 and in the 4th grade.
She is no where near mature enough to taught about the birds and the bees. If there are others kids at that age that are mature enough, I have yet to met them.
I am very anti big government and think the government is already way too involved in peoples lives. Yes there are many children out there that don't have the family structure that mine have and my heart breaks for them but don't subject my kids to stuff that they are prepared for even if there MIGHT be a few that are.
She is no where near mature enough to taught about the birds and the bees. If there are others kids at that age that are mature enough, I have yet to met them.
I am very anti big government and think the government is already way too involved in peoples lives. Yes there are many children out there that don't have the family structure that mine have and my heart breaks for them but don't subject my kids to stuff that they are prepared for even if there MIGHT be a few that are.
Posted on 2/21/14 at 11:38 am to UMTigerRebel
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This is a topic for another thread, but I've always thought it funny that sexually active females can be labeled whore, slut, tramp, hooker, prostitute, etc, but there is no equivalent male term. Unless you put male in front of some of the labels I mentioned, one assumes you are talking about a female.
There is definitely a double standard, and as a parent of a boy and a girl, I'm sure I will perpetuate that double standard when they get to high school and college.
Posted on 2/21/14 at 11:40 am to Duke
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Doubtful. Nature tells them to do it about the time the pussy bleeds and the balls drop.
I have no idea when you had sexual education but that is not at age 9 or 10.
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All this book does it saying all these things will happen to you and it's normal.
Normal is pretty subjective.
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The lesser the stigma, the more likely a kid is going to reach out for help. Making sex more shameful does not.
Stigmatizing is different than what age to educate at. There will always be kids who want to have sex at 12, but like I said. Overall only 25% of the population has had sex before or at (with the 'at' being substantially higher) the age of 15.
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I see much promise in the trend of people waiting to have babies. Though there are economic reasons to thank for that as well. I argue that the increased openness about sex is a large part of that.
You could make that argument, but a psychological and sociological shift is clearly the culprit. It changed from ''go on girl, have yourself a baby'' to ''have a baby and you're not going to college'' which was the rhetoric used on me when I was younger.
Posted on 2/21/14 at 11:41 am to Duke
this would help. If addiction was looked at as mental health instead of a criminal problem then those that need real help would 1. seek it out and 2. have actual open spots for them. Right now anyone that is caught with drugs can probably plea into some rehab program even though they don't have a true problem. This leaves those with legit problems in prison because they don't have lawyers to get them the deal and spots in most rehab places are limited and expensive.
I was just saying i see why the stats would work, i didn't look at them but in theory there isn't as much variance to the outcomes of a teen being pregnant
I was just saying i see why the stats would work, i didn't look at them but in theory there isn't as much variance to the outcomes of a teen being pregnant
Posted on 2/21/14 at 11:49 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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sociological shift is clearly the culprit.
I wouldn't argue there hasn't been a major shift there either that is to thank for much of that. Different factors.
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I have no idea when you had sexual education but that is not at age 9 or 10.
My mother didn't show me diagrams, but she talked early and frankly about body parts and to practice safe sex even when I didn't know exactly what sex was.
Result: I was more capable to make a good decision. I think it would be good for kids to have the same.
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Normal is pretty subjective.
It is abnormal for girls to grow tits and masturbate? I don't see how "subjective" the normal that book was addressing actually is.
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Stigmatizing is different than what age to educate at.
Stigmatizing obviously has a lot to do with when we educate kids about sex.
Posted on 2/21/14 at 11:50 am to heartbreakTiger
Posted on 2/21/14 at 11:50 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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I have no idea when you had sexual education but that is not at age 9 or 10.
So is it better to wait until their bodies are sexually mature before beginning to teach them about it?
Posted on 2/21/14 at 11:58 am to Duke
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My mother didn't show me diagrams, but she talked early and frankly about body parts and to practice safe sex even when I didn't know exactly what sex was.
Result: I was more capable to make a good decision. I think it would be good for kids to have the same
That's pretty anecdotal, I think. I was the opposite (didn't know anything about sex) and as a result had less. I don't see anything wrong with less exposure.
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It is abnormal for girls to grow tits and masturbate? I don't see how "subjective" the normal that book was addressing actually is.
What age a person has sex and who they have sex with is subjective and should be left to the parent. There's really no reason to show 'em technique at an age they wouldn't do it otherwise by your own admission. (Balls drop and bleeding)
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Stigmatizing obviously has a lot to do with when we educate kids about sex.
That's not -exclusively- true. There are quantifiable items outside of stigmatization that can be used as barometers that are not due to stigma.
The stigma ain't gonna change; if a woman gets pregnant (which is just as normal as growing breasts and masturbation) at a young age, she will be stigmatized. Truth sucks, but trying to slither the agenda to look at it under another light -will not work- and especially at such a young age.
If anything, they're affixing severe damage against their argument by trying to do it before kids are even interested or thinking about it.
Posted on 2/21/14 at 11:59 am to The Spleen
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So is it better to wait until their bodies are sexually mature before beginning to teach them about it?
Maybe directly before (12 - 13) but 9 - 10 is ridiculous. That's screams agenda.
Posted on 2/21/14 at 12:03 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
I'd like to know how many of the posters OK with this book actually have kids. What gives the Dept. of Ed the right to say when my child is old enough/ mature enough to handle this information? My daughter is 11 and she's not ready.
Posted on 2/21/14 at 12:06 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Maybe directly before (12 - 13) but 9 - 10 is ridiculous. That's screams agenda.
But some are already sexually mature by that age.
I agree some of the images in the link are a bit much for a 4th grader, but I don't think 4th grade is too young to start the conversation. You don't have to go full bore into it and tell them everything, but there are things you can prepare them for.
Like I said earlier in the thread, I've already started with my 6 year old, but she's very inquisitive and walked in on the wife and I in the act so we were kind of forced to.
Posted on 2/21/14 at 12:07 pm to LittleJerrySeinfield
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I'd like to know how many of the posters OK with this book actually have kids. What gives the Dept. of Ed the right to say when my child is old enough/ mature enough to handle this information? My daughter is 11 and she's not ready
This is the problem, too. Like I said earlier I was exposed to sex -very- late (I was 20) and in high school I just wasn't interested in the least. I'm glad they didn't shove me into it, and I'm glad my parents were respectful enough to wait to talk to me about until I was about 14.
I actually have a daughter (she just turned 4 yesterday) and I'll have the talk when it comes, I think people need to focus on raising their kids to be smart rather than trying to say everything is ''normal''.
Posted on 2/21/14 at 12:09 pm to The Spleen
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The Spleen
We almost got caught once. Now my wife makes me get out of bed to make sure the door is locked before she'll even think about getting it on.
Posted on 2/21/14 at 12:09 pm to Alahunter
I'm pro-nudity so I would not mind children being taught that all physiques are normal. The idea that our excretory and sexual organs are nasty or evil is beyond the pale.
Posted on 2/21/14 at 12:10 pm to The Spleen
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But some are already sexually mature by that age.
I agree some of the images in the link are a bit much for a 4th grader, but I don't think 4th grade is too young to start the conversation. You don't have to go full bore into it and tell them everything, but there are things you can prepare them for.
Like I said earlier in the thread, I've already started with my 6 year old, but she's very inquisitive and walked in on the wife and I in the act so we were kind of forced to
I agree completely that it's not too much to -start- the conversation and it'd be very easy to know which children were active at that age and which ones weren't.
I think we all agree that we want our children to be healthy, but talking about it at length and showing what is essentially child porn (a 12 year old masturbating on a bed IS, even in this context) is not the answer. We need to approach this intelligently, and we need to make sure to frame the argument in a way that is the -most healthy for our children-.
You were forced to talk about it and you may or may not regret it later, I don't personally see anything wrong with it but then again.
You're the father, that's your job.
Posted on 2/21/14 at 12:50 pm to Kentucker
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The idea that our excretory and sexual organs are nasty or evil is beyond the pale.
This pretty much. Just because y'all were raised being sheltered from the concept of sexuality until well into puberty doesn't mean that's the healthiest way to raise a kid. Mental health is just as important as physical health.
Posted on 2/21/14 at 12:50 pm to Crimson G
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I don't understand the negative reactions either
I can, as the state has taken on a role that parents should be handling. There's a morality side to procreation and sex, that the State refuses to allow, and I can understand why parents would not want strangers teaching something, that doesn't respect the values they wish to instill in their children. Having said that, I don't have kids, and if I did, this wouldn't be an issue, as there is no way in hell I'd have them in public education at this point.
Posted on 2/21/14 at 12:52 pm to The Spleen
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but I don't think 4th grade is too young to start the conversation
Maybe, maybe not. But, it's not the State that should make that decision. It's the parent.
Posted on 2/21/14 at 2:21 pm to Alahunter
I'm not gonna read all the shite I've already missed but I hope to god someone has already said it.
I don't really give a frick how old your kid is when you decide to tell them about all this, but don't make the decision for me and mine.
ETA: Alahunter
I don't really give a frick how old your kid is when you decide to tell them about all this, but don't make the decision for me and mine.
ETA: Alahunter
This post was edited on 2/21/14 at 2:22 pm
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