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Posted on 2/6/14 at 8:14 am to Aubie83
Posted on 2/6/14 at 8:14 am to Aubie83
I posted all 5 stars and their draft results from 2008 thru 2011 on last page, will put here since it got overlooked and this is top of the page.
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Going by Rivals:
2008
Julio Jones - 1st round
Tyler Love - bust
Burton Scott - transfer
2009
D.J. Fluker - 1st round
Nico Johnson - 4th round
Dre Kirkpatrick - 1st round
Trent Richardson -1st round
2010
Dee Milliner - 1st round
2011
Ha Ha Clinton-Dix - tbd
Dee Hart - returning
Cy Kujo - tbd
Bama has had 5 first rounders from their 5 star players, out of 8. Putting 63% of your 5 stars in the first round ain't too shabby.
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Going by Rivals:
2008
Julio Jones - 1st round
Tyler Love - bust
Burton Scott - transfer
2009
D.J. Fluker - 1st round
Nico Johnson - 4th round
Dre Kirkpatrick - 1st round
Trent Richardson -1st round
2010
Dee Milliner - 1st round
2011
Ha Ha Clinton-Dix - tbd
Dee Hart - returning
Cy Kujo - tbd
Bama has had 5 first rounders from their 5 star players, out of 8. Putting 63% of your 5 stars in the first round ain't too shabby.
This post was edited on 2/6/14 at 8:15 am
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Posted on 2/6/14 at 8:14 am to Aubie83
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Wasn't Burton Scott a 5*...
Read the thread.
Posted on 2/6/14 at 8:14 am to GIbson05
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The real stat is every Top 15 player Saban has got and was eligible for the draft at the time was taken in the first round.
Love (21) and BJ Scott (26) werent in the top 15, and the eligile for the draft part takes out the 5* that were kicked off the time.
All about how you word it.
Exactly. Here is the original tweet LINK from some ESPN chick I don't know.
Posted on 2/6/14 at 8:15 am to coachcrisp
You can argue the finer points and I HATE that he's able to get all these 5 stars but the thread point remains. He can go into a 5 star's home and state that he'll be a 1st round pick and prove it 
But, the rest of conference can still negative recruit against him because bama has never had THE number 1 draft pick since 1948
There is still hope 
2012 Andrew Luck QB Stanford Indianapolis Colts
2011 Cam Newton QB Auburn Carolina Panthers
2010 Sam Bradford QB Oklahoma St. Louis Rams
2009 Matthew Stafford QB Georgia Detroit Lions
2008 Jake Long OT Michigan Miami Dolphins
2007 JaMarcus Russell QB LSU Oakland Raiders
2006 Mario Williams DE N. Carolina State Houston Texans
2005 Alex Smith QB Utah San Francisco 49ers
2004 Eli Manning QB Mississippi San Diego Chargers
2003 Carson Palmer QB Southern Cal. Cincinnati Bengals
2002 David Carr QB Fresno State Houston Texans
2001 Michael Vick QB Virginia Tech Atlanta Falcons
2000 Courtney Brown DE Penn State Cleveland Browns
But, the rest of conference can still negative recruit against him because bama has never had THE number 1 draft pick since 1948
There is still hope 2012 Andrew Luck QB Stanford Indianapolis Colts
2011 Cam Newton QB Auburn Carolina Panthers
2010 Sam Bradford QB Oklahoma St. Louis Rams
2009 Matthew Stafford QB Georgia Detroit Lions
2008 Jake Long OT Michigan Miami Dolphins
2007 JaMarcus Russell QB LSU Oakland Raiders
2006 Mario Williams DE N. Carolina State Houston Texans
2005 Alex Smith QB Utah San Francisco 49ers
2004 Eli Manning QB Mississippi San Diego Chargers
2003 Carson Palmer QB Southern Cal. Cincinnati Bengals
2002 David Carr QB Fresno State Houston Texans
2001 Michael Vick QB Virginia Tech Atlanta Falcons
2000 Courtney Brown DE Penn State Cleveland Browns
This post was edited on 2/6/14 at 8:18 am
Posted on 2/6/14 at 8:16 am to Walkthedawg
Just stopping by to say I'm glad my favorite team got more five stars than most conferences.
Nice try, but trolls can't make me mad today.
Nice try, but trolls can't make me mad today.
Posted on 2/6/14 at 8:17 am to Alahunter
How much butthurt is in here?
Posted on 2/6/14 at 8:17 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
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There was some study a year or so ago that showed Bama had about the worst percentage of four and five star guys make it to the nfl of any sec school.
Posted on 2/6/14 at 8:18 am to tduecen
I dunno. Waitin for some folks to notice my new sig pic so I can enjoy some more.
Posted on 2/6/14 at 8:18 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
Considering we sign more than anyone else may effect that percentage don't you think.
Posted on 2/6/14 at 8:18 am to tduecen
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How much butthurt is in here?
Oh theres a lot but in defense of some, the OP completely got the stat wrong.
Posted on 2/6/14 at 8:19 am to BlackCloud
It's pretty fair not to count ones who weren't eligible for the draft, especially ones who took themselves out of eligibility (by being criminals, quitting, flunking, etc.) The point of any such stat is to demonstrate the ability of a program to develop talent/impress the NFL, and if a player is taken out of the running by factors outside of a given program's control, it's pretty difficult to knock the program for it. (It's like counting early entrants to the draft as knocks on a program's graduation rate -- a kid who jumps at the opportunity to take a job that makes him millions doesn't, in himself, reflect negatively on a university's emphasis on academics. Plenty of straight-A engineering students, for instance, would gladly quit school in their junior year for a million dollar/year engineering job.) Any 5*'s motivation should be to take full advantage of the opportunity presented, not assume statistics will do his job for him. So a legitimate stat in this area would basically have to be prefaced with "All eligible players...."
If a player is processed for reasons of ability/talent without outside factors involved, however, that's a different issue, and reflects negatively on the program's ability to develop talent and/or evaluate it in the process of deciding who to recruit. So those certainly should be counted against the program.
If a player is processed for reasons of ability/talent without outside factors involved, however, that's a different issue, and reflects negatively on the program's ability to develop talent and/or evaluate it in the process of deciding who to recruit. So those certainly should be counted against the program.
Posted on 2/6/14 at 8:20 am to Walkthedawg
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But, the rest of conference can still negative recruit against him because bama has never had THE number 1 draft pick since 1948 There is still hope
Unless you count the 1965 AFL draft
Posted on 2/6/14 at 8:20 am to StopRobot
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Oh theres a lot but in defense of some, the OP completely got the stat wrong.
Take it up with mike and mike
Posted on 2/6/14 at 8:24 am to Walkthedawg
I would love to know the percentage of top 15 players that become 1st round picks.
Then look at that percentage for each major power.
I bet they are very similar.
I fricking hate ESPN people that just regurgitate stuff their stat people give them without actually looking into it themselves. I heard maybe a dozen untrue things said on ESPNU's recruiting special yesterday throughout the day.
Then look at that percentage for each major power.
I bet they are very similar.
I fricking hate ESPN people that just regurgitate stuff their stat people give them without actually looking into it themselves. I heard maybe a dozen untrue things said on ESPNU's recruiting special yesterday throughout the day.
Posted on 2/6/14 at 8:27 am to TheCaterpillar
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I heard maybe a dozen untrue things said on ESPNU's recruiting special yesterday throughout the day.
Like what?
Posted on 2/6/14 at 8:31 am to coachcrisp
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When the topic is about the quality of football coaching, why should it?
That was not the topic. but nice of you to not keep up
Posted on 2/6/14 at 8:31 am to randomways
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The point of any such stat is to demonstrate the ability of a program to develop
The pint of my post is to mock a fan base that is so insecure it has to point out the obvious.
Bama has won three of the past five Bcs Championship games. Four or five straight recruiting titles.
Yet the still seek approval and acceptance from the rest of the college football world.
Posted on 2/6/14 at 8:32 am to TheCaterpillar
Depends on who you listen to. Doug Gotlieb(sorry can't spell) instead of just crediting the sec yesterday went on a diatribe about when are these kids going to realize if you go to a USC or Notre Dame your degree will be more of a national appeal. A degree in Alabama is only good if you want to work in a major city in Alabama or Atlanta. It was really kind of a sorry segment.
Posted on 2/6/14 at 8:33 am to randomways
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It's pretty fair not to count ones who weren't eligible for the draft
not really since that has nothing to do with it.
"Hey lets make a statistic and take out all the negative aspects of it, that makes it look more legit"
Posted on 2/6/14 at 8:36 am to NYCAuburn
No different than using selective time frames to fit an argument.
For example: "Take out the Bryant years." or "Since the Bear." etc etc.
For example: "Take out the Bryant years." or "Since the Bear." etc etc.
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