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Posted on 12/24/13 at 8:48 pm to TigerTerez0307
1. LSU isn't going to a spread offense with Jennings
2. If your team had a defense you would be in the BCS NCG right now. But i hope you enjoyed the 59-42 beating
2. If your team had a defense you would be in the BCS NCG right now. But i hope you enjoyed the 59-42 beating
Posted on 12/24/13 at 8:49 pm to kilo
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Auburn 2013 bro. Just stop. 59-42 SEC Championship Game 101 points man.
There might be a year here and there that this happens but it will not happen every year. Defense will prevail most years.
Posted on 12/24/13 at 8:51 pm to Cockopotamus
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know aTm lost 4 games this year right?
all four loses was entertaining...
Posted on 12/24/13 at 8:51 pm to Agforlife
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you can't run a spread and field an elite defense and I call bullshite.
Truth
There seems to be some misconception about the spread and the SEC. It seemed to me coming into the SEC that the "spread" wont work in the SEC because of the defenses here.
Spread can work with the proper personnel. In fact the spread, run correctly, can offset talent gaps between defenses and offenses. A less athletic offense can be successful against a superior athletic defense in this system. The spreads origins are firmly based in this concept. Its not surprising to see refined spread be successful against superior defenses now that the culture and physicality of playing the game are changing.
Posted on 12/24/13 at 8:53 pm to LSUNV
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There might be a year here and there that this happens but it will not happen every year. Defense will prevail most years.
Maybe, we will see. I think those denying there is a fundamental shift occurring in the sport as whole are kind of just glossing over whats going on in the sport.
Posted on 12/24/13 at 8:56 pm to TigerTerez0307
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know aTm lost 4 games this year right?
all four loses was entertaining...
I found their beat down to LSU very entertaining.
Posted on 12/24/13 at 8:57 pm to SammyTiger
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If your team had a defense you would be in the BCS NCG right now. But i hope you enjoyed the 59-42 beating
Are you even following the thread's conversation?
You should check this out LINK
Posted on 12/24/13 at 9:00 pm to kilo
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Maybe, we will see. I think those denying there is a fundamental shift occurring in the sport as whole are kind of just glossing over whats going on in the sport.
There is a reason that Alabama has won 3/4 NC. I don't deny a shift is happening, but every championship team I ever played on in football had great D. It is just the way the sport is designed
Posted on 12/24/13 at 9:08 pm to LSUNV
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There is a reason that Alabama has won 3/4 NC. I don't deny a shift is happening, but every championship team I ever played on in football had great D. It is just the way the sport is designed
I get that. I wish that's the way it will always be honestly man. I'm not trying to knock what the SEC has done. They HAVE won on the backs of stout defenses. I'm afraid those times are changing. When you start tilting the scales towards offenses, especially those that run spread/misdirection type offenses it quickly changes the dynamic of the sport.
The spread is designed to offset a more talented defense. When you start to tilt that through rule changes to give those offenses more of an advantage it seems pretty obvious what the long term outcome will be.
My one hope is that the powers that be make some adjustments to slow down the offenses. Limit motion, add another player on the LOS etc.
I just dont think that player safety has to equal "offense all day every day" but it seems thats the path they are heading down.
Posted on 12/24/13 at 9:15 pm to kilo
It is still a league of match ups once you get to the better teams.
LSU is built to contain spread offenses. Thus you see we did pretty well on defense against Auburn and A&M, but we had difficulty against pro style teams like Bama and UGA (although UGA is more due to an unusually bad secondary this year)
Bama is based to stop pro style offenses. They are very good against most teams because there is normally a large talent gap. However if you can bring a level of talent similar to theirs they sometimes struggle with spread high temp teams. Because Nick Saban runs a very complicated Defense based on a lot of substitutions, and this is not as conducive to the hurry up offense.
My take on it
LSU is built to contain spread offenses. Thus you see we did pretty well on defense against Auburn and A&M, but we had difficulty against pro style teams like Bama and UGA (although UGA is more due to an unusually bad secondary this year)
Bama is based to stop pro style offenses. They are very good against most teams because there is normally a large talent gap. However if you can bring a level of talent similar to theirs they sometimes struggle with spread high temp teams. Because Nick Saban runs a very complicated Defense based on a lot of substitutions, and this is not as conducive to the hurry up offense.
My take on it
Posted on 12/24/13 at 9:17 pm to Agforlife
Nothing is wrong with the spread. You just need defense also. I was just saying, if you think LSU runs spread then you don't know shite about what spread is.
Posted on 12/24/13 at 9:18 pm to kilo
When you consider the spread was designed to level the playing field of a less talented less physical offense going up against a more physical defense more talented defense then it only makes sense that if you put more talented players in that style offense it will be even harder to stop. Defenses will have to catch up but it won't be as easy as it sounds. Defense wins championships that's a fact but now a days you gotta have more offense to go along with that defense. Gone are the 14 to 7 shoving matches. Jmo
Posted on 12/24/13 at 9:19 pm to GeorgeWest
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I can assure you that Les Miles and Cam Cameron are NOT running the spread.
I bet they will run the spread. Jennings & harris are proof of what they are about to do, also check out the qb they are recruiting for 2015.
Posted on 12/24/13 at 9:19 pm to RBWilliams8
Lol I never said LSU ran a spread.
Posted on 12/24/13 at 9:23 pm to SammyTiger
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It is still a league of match ups once you get to the better teams.
LSU is built to contain spread offenses. Thus you see we did pretty well on defense against Auburn and A&M, but we had difficulty against pro style teams like Bama and UGA (although UGA is more due to an unusually bad secondary this year)
Bama is based to stop pro style offenses. They are very good against most teams because there is normally a large talent gap. However if you can bring a level of talent similar to theirs they sometimes struggle with spread high temp teams. Because Nick Saban runs a very complicated Defense based on a lot of substitutions, and this is not as conducive to the hurry up offense.
My take on it
Nice post.
I think many folks smarter than you and I are having some of these very conversations about this issue internally in the coaching staffs of our favorite university's football teams.
I dont like the trends. Mizzou has always been that "spread" team trying to adjust for talent gaps. I had hoped we could evolve into a much more balanced team in the coming years playing in this conference.
Posted on 12/24/13 at 9:24 pm to kilo
I don't have anything against spread. I may give it some hell on here but that's standard shite talk. I'm pretty firm about defense being a prime focus.
For instance, LSU this year: 3000 yard passing QB. 1000 yard RB. TWO 1000 yard WRs... No defense. 3 L's.
LSU in 2011: great defense. Literally no offense.... Undefeated regular season in the most difficult schedule ever being SEC champs and beating 2 other conference champs.
You can field a great defense with a spread offense. Just hasn't happened yet.
For instance, LSU this year: 3000 yard passing QB. 1000 yard RB. TWO 1000 yard WRs... No defense. 3 L's.
LSU in 2011: great defense. Literally no offense.... Undefeated regular season in the most difficult schedule ever being SEC champs and beating 2 other conference champs.
You can field a great defense with a spread offense. Just hasn't happened yet.
Posted on 12/24/13 at 9:24 pm to Agforlife
I know, I was talking about OP saying LSU was a spread newbie.
My rant was more about defense.
My rant was more about defense.
Posted on 12/24/13 at 9:25 pm to kilo
I think the most common problem is that teams tend to have to shoos between putting their best players on defense and putting them on offense, and it is easier to score than keep teams form scoring.
I look at LSU and Odell Beckham was a guy who could have con either way, is now a WR and we seem to be lacking the in DB department.
I look at LSU and Odell Beckham was a guy who could have con either way, is now a WR and we seem to be lacking the in DB department.
Posted on 12/24/13 at 9:29 pm to SammyTiger
We've recruited well at DB. Just about all of those guys were highly sought after. Some players don't live up to expectations. That's football.
But if miles moved Jarvis or ODB to DB to fix those holes, people would shite all over him for it bc they're so successful at WR.
Like people saying "WHY ISNT PATRICK PETERSON PLAYING OFFENSE TOO!!!!" Well, he had cramp issues and it would have been retarded to ask him to play more.
But if miles moved Jarvis or ODB to DB to fix those holes, people would shite all over him for it bc they're so successful at WR.
Like people saying "WHY ISNT PATRICK PETERSON PLAYING OFFENSE TOO!!!!" Well, he had cramp issues and it would have been retarded to ask him to play more.
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