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Ranked Opponents.. When You Play, or End of Year?
Posted on 9/27/13 at 4:15 pm
Posted on 9/27/13 at 4:15 pm
What's the criteria?
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Posted on 9/27/13 at 4:15 pm to JuiceTerry
End of year.
Posted on 9/27/13 at 4:17 pm to JuiceTerry
End of year
Posted on 9/27/13 at 4:17 pm to LukeSidewalker
Depends on which fits better with the point I'm trying to spin.
Posted on 9/27/13 at 4:19 pm to LukeSidewalker
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End of year.
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marshallcotiger
Posted on 9/27/13 at 4:19 pm to JuiceTerry
End of year gets more weight, but when you play gets some consideration as well.
Sometimes, a team ends the season unranked due to falling apart after crippling injuries to key players, but when your team played them, they were operating on all cylinders. You have to look at both to have the most accurate evaluation possible.
Sometimes, a team ends the season unranked due to falling apart after crippling injuries to key players, but when your team played them, they were operating on all cylinders. You have to look at both to have the most accurate evaluation possible.
Posted on 9/27/13 at 4:20 pm to jbond
Should be end of the year, but injuries etc. can have an impact.
Like UF was a better team early in the year than they likely will be now without their QB or DT
Like UF was a better team early in the year than they likely will be now without their QB or DT
Posted on 9/27/13 at 4:36 pm to kingbob
And your team beating a ranked team will cause them to be unranked a lot, too. Bama will probably knock the Bears out. Yet had VT opened with a scrub, they'd be ranked for sure. Probably will be this week..
Posted on 9/27/13 at 4:39 pm to JuiceTerry
When the season has not ended yet: when you play
When the season has ended: end of year
Which ultimately supercedes the other: end of year
When the season has ended: end of year
Which ultimately supercedes the other: end of year
Posted on 9/27/13 at 8:40 pm to JuiceTerry
It depends on what you are using it for. As far as measuring a team overall, on average end of year is going to give you the best results. If you're measuring how a team was after the season is over, that's going to give you the best results.
There are a couple of main drawbacks to measuring opponents by end of year ranking, though, if you're measuring opponents. The first one is that your game affects their ranking. If you beat a team, they drop, if you lose, the rise. If you beat a team badly, the drop even more. Using this method to measure opponents can be deceptive because a team that wins big knocks their opponent down more.
The other main drawback is assumes that all teams played the same quality opponents. In football, a team changes week-to-week. Sometimes injuries kill them, other times seasoning helps them. It's possible to play a team at the end of the season that's a different quality than that team was at the start of the season. Game rankings tend to measure where a team is at better, late in the season, but early season rankings can be way off and so it should be avoided for early season games.
If you are measuring bowl opponents, you should always use game rankings. It give a better feel for who that opponent was, without the drawback of a team affecting their ranking. Late in the year, game rankings are probably better.
If you're looking at the game historically and how it feels at the time, game rankings are the only one that will do. A ranked vs ranked game has a different feel than others. If both teams finish unranked, it doesn't mean that feeling wasn't there, just that they were probably misranked.
If you're trying to figure out what pollsters were thinking, game ranking is the only thing you can go on. One of the big mistakes people make in looking at historical games, is they don't look at it historically. Games versus Penn were pretty big at one point. Now, Penn is a non-scholarship FCS team. If you look at a 1930s game against Penn and think they were an FCS team, you miss the mark. Game rankings can tell you if that game was big or not, but end of year rankings will tell you if that team held out.
Short answer: Both, if you want to be informed.
There are a couple of main drawbacks to measuring opponents by end of year ranking, though, if you're measuring opponents. The first one is that your game affects their ranking. If you beat a team, they drop, if you lose, the rise. If you beat a team badly, the drop even more. Using this method to measure opponents can be deceptive because a team that wins big knocks their opponent down more.
The other main drawback is assumes that all teams played the same quality opponents. In football, a team changes week-to-week. Sometimes injuries kill them, other times seasoning helps them. It's possible to play a team at the end of the season that's a different quality than that team was at the start of the season. Game rankings tend to measure where a team is at better, late in the season, but early season rankings can be way off and so it should be avoided for early season games.
If you are measuring bowl opponents, you should always use game rankings. It give a better feel for who that opponent was, without the drawback of a team affecting their ranking. Late in the year, game rankings are probably better.
If you're looking at the game historically and how it feels at the time, game rankings are the only one that will do. A ranked vs ranked game has a different feel than others. If both teams finish unranked, it doesn't mean that feeling wasn't there, just that they were probably misranked.
If you're trying to figure out what pollsters were thinking, game ranking is the only thing you can go on. One of the big mistakes people make in looking at historical games, is they don't look at it historically. Games versus Penn were pretty big at one point. Now, Penn is a non-scholarship FCS team. If you look at a 1930s game against Penn and think they were an FCS team, you miss the mark. Game rankings can tell you if that game was big or not, but end of year rankings will tell you if that team held out.
Short answer: Both, if you want to be informed.
Posted on 9/27/13 at 8:41 pm to JuiceTerry
End of year. Duh.
Posted on 9/27/13 at 8:42 pm to JuiceTerry
end of year is usually a better indicator of the quality of the teams you played... with some exceptions (e.g. a star QB goes down and QB play suffers dramatically afterwards)
Posted on 9/27/13 at 8:47 pm to marshallcotiger
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Depends on which fits better with the point I'm trying to spin.
Posted on 9/27/13 at 8:51 pm to JuiceTerry
LSU fans will probably say when you played. Otherwise, they'd be admitting that a Texas A&M team that finished in the top 5 was upset but an LSU team that didn't finish in the top ten. Most of them naively believe LSU was better than A&M last year.
Posted on 9/27/13 at 8:51 pm to JuiceTerry
End of Year. That's the only time rankings mean shite anyway.
Posted on 9/27/13 at 9:02 pm to kingbob
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End of year gets more weight, but when you play gets some consideration as well. Sometimes, a team ends the season unranked due to falling apart after crippling injuries to key players, but when your team played them, they were operating on all cylinders. You have to look at both to have the most accurate evaluation possible.
This. It depends on the situation.
Posted on 9/27/13 at 9:06 pm to PrivatePublic
Ok, so let me get this straight.
If it is end of year only, then if Alabama loses 3 games, they are still considered number one. But if a 3 loss I ranked team goes undefeated, then they stay us ranked all year.
Obviously to me, it is whatever the ranking is at game time.
Lsu- Uganda is billed as 6 vs 9, not 12 vs 3, which I believe was what they were at the end of last season.
Plus, are bowl games end of the season? Technically, the season is over at the end of the regular schedule. That is why bowl games are called POST SEASON.
Sorry, but simple logic says when you play.
If it is end of year only, then if Alabama loses 3 games, they are still considered number one. But if a 3 loss I ranked team goes undefeated, then they stay us ranked all year.
Obviously to me, it is whatever the ranking is at game time.
Lsu- Uganda is billed as 6 vs 9, not 12 vs 3, which I believe was what they were at the end of last season.
Plus, are bowl games end of the season? Technically, the season is over at the end of the regular schedule. That is why bowl games are called POST SEASON.
Sorry, but simple logic says when you play.
Posted on 9/27/13 at 9:12 pm to TeLeFaWx
quote:this is so stupid. Like a&m is anywhere near as good of a program as lsu. Before the bama game, lsu absolutely was the better team. Afterwards, who cares. Lsu vs bama = king of the world. It's the only thIng that matters in college fb anymore.
Most of them naively believe LSU was better than A&M last year.
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