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re: (Final Draft) Evidence Mounts of a Scandal in the SEC

Posted on 7/27/13 at 1:04 pm to
Posted by NATidefan
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Posted on 7/27/13 at 1:04 pm to
I smell alter.
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 7/27/13 at 1:04 pm to
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GatorNation4Lyfe


No one will take you seriously until you can use the correct form of the word 'buy' in conversation here.

Posted by pvilleguru
Member since Jun 2009
60453 posts
Posted on 7/27/13 at 1:05 pm to
Does the new rule about byes not help everyone?
Posted by Bama Bird
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Posted on 7/27/13 at 1:06 pm to
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No one will take you seriously until you can use the correct form of the word 'buy' in conversation here.


Every week in Alabama football is a "buy" week. REC gonna REC
Posted by sarc
Member since Mar 2011
9997 posts
Posted on 7/27/13 at 1:19 pm to
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The mistake you're making is you're asserting that the '12 schedule should have repeated the '08 schedule, which is not the case. The '12 schedule should have repeated the '07 schedule:


I'm sorry but you're mistaken. What I said is correct. In '12, teams played the rotating cross-division opponent they last played in '08 with the 4 exceptions I noted. In '13, teams will play the rotating cross-division opponent last played in '09 with the 4 exceptions I noted. So, Bama skipped the 2nd part of the home and home with Vandy just as every other team did (think of that game being replaced with a 6th division game). Bama should've played UGA in '12 but that was replaced by Mizzou. We should play UK in '13 and that is who we will play.
Posted by scrooster
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Posted on 7/27/13 at 1:30 pm to
Seems probable, seems legit. Must be true.
Posted by Roberteaux
mandeville
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Posted on 7/27/13 at 1:32 pm to
the 16 people who down voted are all Bama fans
Posted by Bama Bird
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Posted on 7/27/13 at 1:34 pm to
You must not realize that the majority of fan bases here hate yours for being paranoid whiny shits
Posted by CNB
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Posted on 7/27/13 at 1:35 pm to
Did anyone make a McAnus joke yet?
Posted by GatorNation4Lyfe
Houston
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 7/27/13 at 1:48 pm to
Like I give a shite if you take me serious? Bama is good at "buying" their way in football. Have the easiest schedule the last 3 years, get the least penalized most years, get do overs like porn stars but nothing to see here.

The only thing pathetic is the Bama fans that try to rationalize the bullshite. You know it, we know it so stop patronizing us. It is what it is. If posters want to vent, let them vent but to try and act like the shite's not in your favor is stupid.

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No one will take you seriously until you can use the correct form of the word 'buy' in conversation here.
Posted by GatorNation4Lyfe
Houston
Member since Oct 2008
6439 posts
Posted on 7/27/13 at 1:56 pm to
I really didn't think it was necessary. Each team should be able to decide where they want open dates and if it happens that it's when your team plays, then so be it.

But, obviously, many people felt that having a bye is an advantage. So it should help make things even across the board BUT it does not help everyone. It only helps the top teams because no one cares about a bye before UK or Mizz.

I just find it ironic that Bama fans clearly see how byes are an advantage but don't see how the overall schedule makes a difference. Of course you can't predict who will be good and who will be bad 10 years from now but we have a good idea who will be this year and next.

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Does the new rule about byes not help everyone?
Posted by pvilleguru
Member since Jun 2009
60453 posts
Posted on 7/27/13 at 2:21 pm to
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get the least penalized most years,
Aren't the best teams usually those with the fewest penalties?
Posted by pvilleguru
Member since Jun 2009
60453 posts
Posted on 7/27/13 at 2:24 pm to
To me, it wasn't necessarily the byes. It was that the SEC allowed 6 of the 8 teams to not have to play another SEC team the week prior, which in turn allowed those 6 teams to either have a bye or a cupcake.
Posted by coachcrisp
pensacola, fl
Member since Jun 2012
30609 posts
Posted on 7/27/13 at 3:04 pm to
I just wish that we could play Florida every week. Hell, we could possibly go unscored upon!
Posted by cyde
He gone
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Posted on 7/27/13 at 3:05 pm to
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the 16 people who down voted are all Bama fans

And all the people who are flaming the LSU fans in this thread are 'Bama alters too. Gotcha.
This post was edited on 7/27/13 at 3:07 pm
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
26997 posts
Posted on 7/27/13 at 3:57 pm to
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McManus


Too stupid to grasp the fact that Bama had to give up a game with Vandy at our home-away-from home in Nashville last year. Spent God only knows how many hours of his life composing this drivel, yet didn't have the brain cells to grasp this fundamental point.
This post was edited on 7/27/13 at 3:58 pm
Posted by cyde
He gone
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Posted on 7/27/13 at 3:58 pm to
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Too stupid to grasp the fact that Bama had to give up a game with Vandy at our home-away-from home in Nashville last year. Spent God only knows how many hours of his life composing this drivel, yet didn't have the brain cells to grasp this fundamental point.

I also have to wonder if he expected his thread to be panned by pretty much everyone except a handful of LSU fans.
Posted by RidiculousHype
St. George, LA
Member since Sep 2007
10234 posts
Posted on 7/27/13 at 4:22 pm to
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sarc


There's a lot of idiocy in this thread (on all sides), but I feel like you and I are at least making sense and having a rational discussion about the actual crux of the issue being brought up.

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I'm sorry but you're mistaken. What I said is correct. In '12, teams played the rotating cross-division opponent they last played in '08 with the 4 exceptions I noted.


It takes 5 years to complete the rotating opponent cycle, meaning that if expansion had never happened, '12 would have copied '07. Do we agree so far?

I am operating under the assumption that when expansion did happen, the appropriate thing to do is take the schedule that would have happened without expansion, and then adjust from there to accommodate the 2 new teams. Are we still on the same page?

And in many ways, the SEC did keep the '12 schedule the same as what it would have been without expansion. The divisional and permanent inter-divisional home-and-home configurations, for example. Given this, it is strange that the SEC departed from that template in setting up inter-divisional rotating matchups, when they really didn't even have to. In fact, they departed so much in this area that it led you to believe they actually copied '08, not '07.
Posted by sarc
Member since Mar 2011
9997 posts
Posted on 7/27/13 at 6:52 pm to
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It takes 5 years to complete the rotating opponent cycle, meaning that if expansion had never happened, '12 would have copied '07. Do we agree so far?


Agreed

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I am operating under the assumption that when expansion did happen, the appropriate thing to do is take the schedule that would have happened without expansion, and then adjust from there to accommodate the 2 new teams. Are we still on the same page?


Yes

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And in many ways, the SEC did keep the '12 schedule the same as what it would have been without expansion. The divisional and permanent inter-divisional home-and-home configurations, for example


Still on the same page

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Given this, it is strange that the SEC departed from that template in setting up inter-divisional rotating matchups, when they really didn't even have to. In fact, they departed so much in this area that it led you to believe they actually copied '08, not '07


This is where we're having a misunderstanding. To a degree it is semantics/phrasing.

I never said the SEC copied the '08 schedule in order to make the '12 schedule. I said they used the rotating cross-division opponent last played in '08 as the rotating cross-division opponent in '12. I could've just as easily said they were adding the cross-division opponent that last rotated onto a team's schedule in the '07 season. Or I could've said they were adding the cross-division opponent that was last played in '07 and '08.

Let's use LSU as an example:

2006: Tennessee, UK
2007: UK, USC
2008: USC, UGA
2009: UGA, Vandy

So in '12, with no expansion, LSU would've played UK and USC. We switched from a 5-1-2 format to a 6-1-1 format, meaning there's only room on the schedule for either UK or USC. If they were to play UK, then they would fail to play a different East opponent than they played in '11. This is not desirable when we're trying to rotate thru more teams while maintaining the same number of conference games. So, LSU dropped the 2nd half of it's home-and-home with UK and played USC which it had last played in '08. Similarly, every team, dropped the 2nd half of the home-and-home series, and added the team it had last played in '08 (with the 4 exceptions I noted). The 4 exceptions are easy to explain. Bama and UF played the new additions, and the 2 teams they would've played (UGA and Ole Miss) therefore played each other.

This same methodology plays out in '13. Every team plays the cross-division opponent it last played in '09 with the exception of the 2 teams playing the new additions and consequently the 2 teams they would've played. For example, LSU plays USC who they last played in '09.

Again, I'm not saying the '12 schedule copies the '08 schedule. I'm saying that the '12 schedule used the rotating cross-division opponent that was last played in '07 and '08.

And by this very clear methodology, Bama would've played UGA in '12 but played Mizzou instead. And they should play UK in '13 which it will.
This post was edited on 7/27/13 at 7:06 pm
Posted by sheek
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Sep 2007
43895 posts
Posted on 7/27/13 at 7:02 pm to
Bama will get the advantage as long as the Sec office is off Richard Arrington blvd in downtown bham. If you don't think , go look at the parking lot on any given day during football season .
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