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Posted on 7/22/13 at 4:16 pm to Irons Puppet
I don't necessarily agree with Saban on this subject, but I respect his opinion. He knows more about it than me, after all.
Posted on 7/22/13 at 4:20 pm to Funky Tide 8
I agree that Saban has ulterior motives in this debate. Ultimately he wants to give his defense the advantage. And he is being very wise to use the current health issue debate in football to accomplish this. He knows football is in a transition stage in changing rules for player safety, and this is a point he can use to get the rules where he desires them to be. Brilliant move, and it is likely to work at some point down the line.
Posted on 7/22/13 at 4:20 pm to Monticello
Like someone else already said, coaches will instruct their players not necessarily to fake injury, but that if they feel their muscle begin to tighten and we can't sub you out due to no huddle, go ahead and fall so we can get that muscle loosened up on the bench and you don't end up hurting yourself. I think that is a legitimate response to the no huddle and HUNH coaches will have to adjust to that.
There are a lot of muscle/tendon/ligament injuries that can occur from overexertion and exhaustion when a worn out player needs to come rest but can't get subbed out. That part of the player safety argument does have some merit. But I don't think player safety is the real reason coaches want it banned.
There are a lot of muscle/tendon/ligament injuries that can occur from overexertion and exhaustion when a worn out player needs to come rest but can't get subbed out. That part of the player safety argument does have some merit. But I don't think player safety is the real reason coaches want it banned.
Posted on 7/22/13 at 4:22 pm to DocEllis
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I've explained it already in nearly all of my posts, and you keep saying "those lawsuits are about concussions" which isn't true
No you've just said they're not, i'd just like to see some class action lawsuits not based around concussions that if won could provide quantifiable evidence to support slowing down the HUNH offense. That's all i'm looking for here, so please, enlighten me.
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I understand that nothing I say will convince you as an auburn superfan that saban is making a reasonable argument here
What makes me super?
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For this reason, what saban is saying is not really that unreasonable, regardless of why you, an auburn fan, think he is saying it. That is my only point.
i just think he's feeding you and everyone else bullshite by couching it as a safety issue.
Is safety a concern to everyone invovled in the game, absolutely, but he's not against the HUNH strictly for safety reasons.
This post was edited on 7/22/13 at 4:24 pm
Posted on 7/22/13 at 4:23 pm to Monticello
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Like someone else already said, coaches will instruct their players not necessarily to fake injury, but that if they feel their muscle begin to tighten and we can't sub you out due to no huddle, go ahead and fall so we can get that muscle loosened up on the bench and you don't end up hurting yourself. I think that is a legitimate response to the no huddle and HUNH coaches will have to adjust to that.
There are a lot of muscle/tendon/ligament injuries that can occur from overexertion and exhaustion when a worn out player needs to come rest but can't get subbed out. That part of the player safety argument does have some merit. But I don't think player safety is the real reason coaches want it banned.
I agree. And I'll go as far as to say that if the NCAA doesn't change the rules to allow tired players to sub out, you will see more and more coaches start to use the fake injury deal to sub in their players. If HUNH teams don't like it, slow down and let the other team sub once in awhile...if not, we'll take it into our own hands and force you to slow down and get our subs in. Your choice, but you will go at our pace. Deal with it.
This post was edited on 7/22/13 at 4:25 pm
Posted on 7/22/13 at 4:25 pm to Funky Tide 8
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I don't necessarily agree with Saban on this subject, but I respect his opinion. He knows more about it than me, after all.
i support what he's doing. He's trying to give alabama a better chance to win all of their games...which is what he's supposed to do.
I'm just calling bullshite on it being about safety, at least when i first heard him speaking out about it.
Posted on 7/22/13 at 4:29 pm to tider04
quote:The NCAA won't tolerate flopping because the majority of fans and the media won't either. It may work occasionally for a short time, but if becomes too common the NCAA will find a way to eradicate it (or will at least try).
f not, we'll take it into our own hands and force you to slow down and get our subs in.
As for the sub rules being changed to address HUNH, I don't think anything will be done without some well contrived scientific studies indicating a link to the offense with increased injuries and not just more plays in general.
This post was edited on 7/22/13 at 4:30 pm
Posted on 7/22/13 at 4:29 pm to Breesus2Jimmy
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Not everyone likes a game full of misdirections, WR screens, and 56-49 scores.
Yeah frick that. It's cool every now and then but I like "I'm going to run over you, try to stop me" football.
Posted on 7/22/13 at 4:36 pm to tider04
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If HUNH teams don't like it, slow down and let the other team sub once in awhile...if not, we'll take it into our own hands and force you to slow down and get our subs in. Your choice, but you will go at our pace. Deal with it.
Then you will see a rule that does not allow an injuried player to return the rest of the series. Just deal with it and stop the bitching.
This post was edited on 7/22/13 at 4:37 pm
Posted on 7/22/13 at 4:44 pm to piggidyphish
quote:It's very simple. More plays=More collisions=more injuries. That is the argument.
evidence to support slowing down the HUNH offense. That's all i'm looking for here, so please, enlighten me
This post was edited on 7/22/13 at 4:45 pm
Posted on 7/22/13 at 4:44 pm to Irons Puppet
You aren't going to see ANY NEW RULES from the NCAA encouraging players to play hurt. 
Saban's on the right side of this like it or not there's a way to slow down the HUNH and they aren't going to de-emphasize player safety in order to support the HUNH at the risk of more exposure to lawsuits.
The last thing the NCAA wants to be seen doing is supporting a style of play that lengthen's games, exposes players to more risk of injury, and encourages players to "play through" injuries or risk penalizing their team.
People won't like the way it will be stopped but rest assured it will be stopped.
Saban's on the right side of this like it or not there's a way to slow down the HUNH and they aren't going to de-emphasize player safety in order to support the HUNH at the risk of more exposure to lawsuits.
The last thing the NCAA wants to be seen doing is supporting a style of play that lengthen's games, exposes players to more risk of injury, and encourages players to "play through" injuries or risk penalizing their team.
People won't like the way it will be stopped but rest assured it will be stopped.
Posted on 7/22/13 at 4:52 pm to JB Bama
Saban is essentially correct. Hurry up adds at least 20 plays to a game. More opportunity for injury. Pretty simple.
Posted on 7/22/13 at 5:00 pm to crawdaddy52
quote:So was Saban against adding a 12th regular season game, conference championship games, more bowl games, and a college football playoff in the interest of fewer opportunities for injury?
Hurry up adds at least 20 plays to a game. More opportunity for injury. Pretty simple.
Posted on 7/22/13 at 5:03 pm to Irons Puppet
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Then you will see a rule that does not allow an injuried player to return the rest of the series. Just deal with it and stop the bitching.
False. As others have pointed out the NCAA will not make a rule that could cause more injuries with all of the injury talk/studies coming out these days. Plus, there is no way to prove a guy was faking a cramp. You can't punish a guy for cramping, especially when the other team isn't letting him sub out when he needs to. Bottom line, teams can fake injuries to slow down the game if and when they choose to and there's not a damn thing the HUNH teams can do about it. Personally, I hope Saban begins to use this tactic this year as needed, if nothing else to prove a point that we will not allow football to be polluted by these pussy teams who can't recruit and develop players well enough to play the game the way it was meant to be played.
This post was edited on 7/22/13 at 5:07 pm
Posted on 7/22/13 at 5:05 pm to tider04
quote:The NFL is currently leading the charge on player safety rules and they are fining players for faking injuries to stop play.
As others have pointed out the NCAA will not make a rule that could cause more injuries with all of the injury talk/studies coming out these days.
Your confidence is misplaced and foolish.
Posted on 7/22/13 at 5:06 pm to tider04
quote:Soccer pussies
teams can fke injuries to slow down the game
Posted on 7/22/13 at 5:10 pm to WDE24
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The NFL is currently leading the charge on player safety rules and they are fining players for faking injuries to stop play.
Your confidence is misplaced and foolish.
Even if so, college football isn't the NFL and has always rejected many NFL rules. This will be one of them. More likely than not, the NCAA will avoid any of this mess by just telling refs to stand over the ball for a certain number of seconds after every 1st down so teams can sub. Problem solved.
This post was edited on 7/22/13 at 5:13 pm
Posted on 7/22/13 at 5:11 pm to WDE24
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So was Saban against adding a 12th regular season game, conference championship games, more bowl games, and a college football playoff in the interest of fewer opportunities for injury?
Maybe instead of processing players, he should just substitute players out who have played their max amount of safe plays, if he was truly concerned.
Posted on 7/22/13 at 5:14 pm to Irons Puppet
This "traditionalism" has won Bama 3 titles in the past 4 years, so I love what Saban is doing. 
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