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re: Everyone will be running the spread within 7 years
Posted on 1/17/13 at 7:34 pm to John Maplethorpe
Posted on 1/17/13 at 7:34 pm to John Maplethorpe
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It's difficult to stop when executed by a heisman QB who derives his power from a collection of jizz jars.
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Posted on 1/17/13 at 7:35 pm to John Maplethorpe
Wrong.
Posted on 1/17/13 at 7:55 pm to John Maplethorpe
Naive
Posted on 1/17/13 at 8:32 pm to John Maplethorpe
Go ahead. And us pro style teams will keep winning championships.
Posted on 1/17/13 at 8:53 pm to John Maplethorpe
Even if you're right about the spread being a "sea change", what will happen is that defenses over time will have changes and new philosophies of their own to counteract these new offenses.
THEN, once these defenses get smaller and quicker and more able to stop the spread, they'll become more susceptible to power offenses and strong inside running. ..and then you'd see another wave of offenses returning to that.
THEN, once these defenses get smaller and quicker and more able to stop the spread, they'll become more susceptible to power offenses and strong inside running. ..and then you'd see another wave of offenses returning to that.
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Posted on 1/17/13 at 9:28 pm to John Maplethorpe
no they won't
Posted on 1/17/13 at 9:32 pm to John Maplethorpe
les miles laughs at this
Posted on 1/17/13 at 10:08 pm to John Maplethorpe
Now I know why the Long Horns hate the Aggies. You people are insufferable.
Posted on 1/18/13 at 7:49 am to John Maplethorpe
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Everyone will be running the spread within 7 years
nope. not gonna happen
Posted on 1/18/13 at 8:38 am to John Maplethorpe
There are 2 things wrong with this OP
1. The spread has been around for a long time and hasn't taken over every offense.
2. you're assuming no new innovative ideas will happen and everyone will adopt the spread
3. has one kind of offense ever been run at every university in the country? seems highly unlikely.
4. Just a general thought about everyone doing the same thing. As more people go to the spread you also see more teams go to power running.
5. when executed properly any good OCs offense is unstoppable. you don't tend to execute properly and get stopped.
1. The spread has been around for a long time and hasn't taken over every offense.
2. you're assuming no new innovative ideas will happen and everyone will adopt the spread
3. has one kind of offense ever been run at every university in the country? seems highly unlikely.
4. Just a general thought about everyone doing the same thing. As more people go to the spread you also see more teams go to power running.
5. when executed properly any good OCs offense is unstoppable. you don't tend to execute properly and get stopped.
Posted on 1/18/13 at 9:42 am to John Maplethorpe
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everyone except State will be having really good seasons. LSU is going to lose like 3 or 4 SECW games next year and look almost as silly as State does.
No. No we won't. When you have a defense built upon speed, the spread is shite.
Posted on 1/18/13 at 9:47 am to John Maplethorpe
No, just no. I think it has been proven with the right defense, the spread can be shut down. See Oregon vs. LSU or A&M vs. LSU for quick reference. "Baylor has been a top 5 offense the last two years recruiting mostly 2-star athletes." and how has that worked out for them, even with RG3.
Posted on 1/18/13 at 9:51 am to John Maplethorpe
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John Maplethorpe
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Everyone will be running the spread within 7 years
Used to be the Wing-T was the dominant philosophy.
Then it was the Veer.
Then it was the forward pass.
Then it was option football.
Then it was Pro Sets.
Then it was run-and-shoot.
Then it was Pro-Sets.
Now its Spread Formations.
Look, I hate to tell you this, but its not the "future" because spread formation football has been around since Sid Gilman. Leach & Mumme grafted the BYU short-crossing routes & passing-game concepts into what they were running at Ohio Weslyan & Valdosta State.
Urban Meyer learned a lot of his offense from that as well as Joe Tiller at Purdue when he was playing with Drew Brees at QB.
(and with Sumlin coaching the WR's, I might add)
This stuff is cyclical. While I agree that putting a defender in space and requiring him to play with discipline is a basic concept that can allow you to run all sorts of traditional staple plays and have success, the bottom line is that the teams at the top of the food-chain (The Alabama's, Georgia's, LSU's, Florida's, etc) will still recruit more size per roster than other teams beneath them.
The sheer number of players that have the requisite size to negate your splits on the line while playing with athleticism and discipline thakns to superior coaching & development will still overwhelm a team running these offensive concepts as a base.
Yes, I agree that there are notable examples of these concepts having success. But Alabama sees no need to change from its basic concepts. Neither does UGA. Neither does LSU (while playcalling is another story).
These teams will always possess the speed, size & athleticism to negate an inherent advantage the Spread principles provide (reducing discpline via repeatedly asking defenders to play with discipline in space).
Even still, guys like Troy Calhoun & Paul Johnson are running triple-option/flexbone offenses in a time where the forward pass is valued moreso than in any other time period or era of CFB.
So no, everyone will not be running Spread in 7 years. Besides, the splits of the OL aren't what make it produce. Its what you do AFTER you spread the defense out.
On its basic level, this is another way to give OC's, QB's, playcallers & offenses in general a method to force the defense into showing its intentions prior to the snap, which provides an advantage.
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