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re: Expansion Options

Posted on 11/21/12 at 10:04 am to
Posted by Notre Dame Fan
Member since Nov 2012
120 posts
Posted on 11/21/12 at 10:04 am to
The U was smart for that second straight self imposed bowl ban. Ohio state sure wishes they had done the same thing. The NCAA is still going to hurt them the question is how much?
Posted by SwatMitchell
Austin, TX
Member since Jan 2005
2319 posts
Posted on 11/21/12 at 10:13 am to
quote:

Agree on that order:

1) UNC, UVA
2) NCSU, VT

UNC and UVA add great basketball inventory to future SEC Network. UVA has strong baseball program.

SEC schools should form up research consortium to compete with Big 10 CIC. UNC & UVA add 2 more AAU schools to the consortium.

Double win - Sports $$ and Research $$


This would be ideal. Decent/potential football (we have enough current/past football powers already) and strong in all other areas: new tv market, strong academics, contiguous, good basketball & baseball, known nationally, etc
Posted by RocketBallz
Member since Oct 2012
1285 posts
Posted on 11/21/12 at 10:30 am to
I didn't think there was much hope to land UNC either until reading their scout board. Seemed like a small majority preferred the SEC and were worried that NC St would surpass them if they let them get the SEC invite.

NC St f ans were almost unanamiously in favor of move to SEC.
Posted by RockChalkTiger
A Little Bit South of Saskatoon
Member since May 2009
10765 posts
Posted on 11/21/12 at 10:40 am to
Interesting. That's a pretty big piece of the puzzle for the SEC, despite what the tone-deaf administrators at Maryland did this week.

Mizzou and A&M's enthusiasm for the league were a big part of the SEC's decision. (Which, even as a Jayhawk, I agree with wholeheartedly, as I'm first and foremost a LSU/SEC fan!)

Maybe there is hope for the NC & VA schools. But I still think a FSU/GT/Clemson defection to the Big XII has to come first.
Posted by SwatMitchell
Austin, TX
Member since Jan 2005
2319 posts
Posted on 11/21/12 at 10:44 am to
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But I still think a FSU/GT/Clemson defection to the Big XII has to come first.


Agreed...but, with the BIG 10 going to 14 to match the SEC (already at 14), what is PAC 12 commissioner Larry Scott's next move? Plus, scheduling at 16 is just better and easier than 14.
This post was edited on 11/21/12 at 10:46 am
Posted by Scoob
Near Exxon
Member since Jun 2009
21183 posts
Posted on 11/21/12 at 10:44 am to
a little off-topic, but: wow. Ignore TV and radio a couple days, and you get 2 teams into the B1G (or whatever it is). In the middle of football season, no less.

I'm with another poster here- screw expansion. At some point it gets too big, and starts to collapse. We're beginning to see the scheduling issues already.

If you HAVE to expand to 16, then... screw the geography concerns. And stop looking at heading to the Northeast. Instead, improve the brand.
2 more teams? Take USC and Oklahoma, and watch the world burn. Make 4 divisions, not 2, and have a 2 round SEC championship.

Fla-UGA-SC-Ky
Alabama-Auburn-Tenn- Vandy
LSU-Miss St-A&M-Ole Miss
Okla-USC-Missouri-Arkansas

Winner then decides (only a little bit of a joke) if they even need to play anyone else for the national title
Posted by RockChalkTiger
A Little Bit South of Saskatoon
Member since May 2009
10765 posts
Posted on 11/21/12 at 10:47 am to
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PAC 12 commissioner Larry Scott's next move?


New Mexico, UNLV, Nevada and Hawaii. My preference anyway, but it will never happen. They will wait forever for UT and OU.
This post was edited on 11/21/12 at 10:49 am
Posted by SwatMitchell
Austin, TX
Member since Jan 2005
2319 posts
Posted on 11/21/12 at 10:51 am to
quote:

Fla-UGA-SC-Ky
Alabama-Auburn-Tenn- Vandy
LSU-Miss St-A&M-Ole Miss
Okla-USC-Missouri-Arkansas


Would be fun, and btw absolutely destroy UTexas, and no need to play anyone else. Obviously, travel/time zones/politics/ties would prevent USC.

Oklahoma should be in play, I don't get the OSU angle either - long term, the SEC would be OU's best option.
This post was edited on 11/21/12 at 10:52 am
Posted by BigD Ag
Dallas
Member since Dec 2011
1635 posts
Posted on 11/21/12 at 10:53 am to
Option 1 just made Ole Miss fans across the nation cum all over their keyboards.
Posted by Scoob
Near Exxon
Member since Jun 2009
21183 posts
Posted on 11/21/12 at 10:56 am to
quote:

PAC 12 commissioner Larry Scott's next move?


New Mexico, UNLV, Nevada and Hawaii. My preference anyway, but it will never happen.

BYU, if they're available (again I haven't watched the tube this week. For all I know, they're now in the ACC). BYU has a lot of national recognition, fills in the Mountain time zone better than Utah (and honestly, Colorado). Inherent rivalry potential with Colorado, built-in with Utah.

Does Tulane figure to move anywhere? Last year or so, I heard potential Big 12 rumblings. NOLA isn't what it once was market-wise, but the Superdome is a media prize. Getting Texas and Oklahoma into the Dome each season would be a TV showcase, and gets the Big 12 into SEC territory (like A&M got the SEC more into Big 12 territory).
Posted by TeLeFaWx
Dallas, TX
Member since Aug 2011
29278 posts
Posted on 11/21/12 at 10:58 am to
Duke/UNC.
Posted by Ag8556
Member since May 2012
195 posts
Posted on 11/21/12 at 11:00 am to
If the PAC-12 was smart, they would drop their objections to BYU, OSU, OU and add them along with 1 of the current Big12 Texas programs. They could then form an eastern POD with those teams.

Their big problem is that the Big 12 teams have supposedly sold their TV media right to the conference for 13 years. Don't know if this is really true or not.

If PAC can't get into Oklahoma and Texas, they are landlocked.
Posted by Jobu93
Cypress TX
Member since Sep 2011
19887 posts
Posted on 11/21/12 at 11:02 am to
If the league dissolves prior to anyone bolting, those penalties would be void, right?

They could vote to crater the whole league and then go elsewhere.
Posted by RockChalkTiger
A Little Bit South of Saskatoon
Member since May 2009
10765 posts
Posted on 11/21/12 at 11:03 am to
BYU won't happen (Berkeley won't let a religious school in).

Tulane is building a new, on-campus stadium.
Posted by stapuffmarshy
lower 9
Member since Apr 2010
17507 posts
Posted on 11/21/12 at 11:05 am to
quote:

The 1860, putting the Confederacy back together option



so stupid that some people want to fantasize about something that was over 150 years ago





add no one
Posted by RockChalkTiger
A Little Bit South of Saskatoon
Member since May 2009
10765 posts
Posted on 11/21/12 at 11:05 am to
quote:

They could vote to crater the whole league and then go elsewhere.


Or hire a platoon of lawyers and try to whittle it down like Maryland is going to do. Interesting that Maryland and FSU were the only two schools to vote against the ACC's $50 million exit fee...
Posted by RockChalkTiger
A Little Bit South of Saskatoon
Member since May 2009
10765 posts
Posted on 11/21/12 at 11:07 am to
quote:

so stupid that some people want to fantasize about something that was over 150 years ago


Agree, but the sad reality is that those people still exist (CSA Tiger?). Some of them will probably be here to post shortly...
Posted by Scoob
Near Exxon
Member since Jun 2009
21183 posts
Posted on 11/21/12 at 11:13 am to
quote:

Fla-UGA-SC-Ky
Alabama-Auburn-Tenn- Vandy
LSU-Miss St-A&M-Ole Miss
Okla-USC-Missouri-Arkansas


Would be fun, and btw absolutely destroy UTexas, and no need to play anyone else. Obviously, travel/time zones/politics/ties would prevent USC.

Oklahoma should be in play, I don't get the OSU angle either - long term, the SEC would be OU's best option.
Yeah, that's a lot of travel for USC. Football could swallow it without problem, but the other sports would be a disaster. Oklahoma makes sense, and quite possibly, the Sooners have some contacts in the A&M and Mizzou camps.

In fact, Oklahoma is one of the only prize schools around. Maybe there's a back-room deal in place to save the decent guys from the Big 12; in order to land Big Guy Oklahoma, you also need to take Medium Guy A&M and Little Guys Mizzou and ... are we SURE it's OSU? If so, do it over a couple years, as Oklahoma makes sure the SEC will honor it's word (unlike the Big 12), and take Mizzou. And you can't sell Mizzou by itself, so A&M came with them this season.

If so, commitment honored, and we might now see the bigger prize coming.

And in return, the Big 12 can fill it's slots from the old SWC roster: you still have Rice, SMU and Houston available, just begging to come home. And/or Tulane, which I noted above, can deliver games in the Superdome for Texas and the rest.
Posted by hbccam
Flowood, MS
Member since Sep 2012
369 posts
Posted on 11/21/12 at 11:15 am to
1860 the south will rise again
Posted by Jobu93
Cypress TX
Member since Sep 2011
19887 posts
Posted on 11/21/12 at 11:17 am to
interesting idea, but that seems too convoluted to be realistic.
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