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How many Mizzou fans think we beat UCF?
Posted on 9/26/12 at 2:35 am
Posted on 9/26/12 at 2:35 am
I started this thread on the rant but i want to see what other Mizzou fans think rather than trolls hijacking the thread.
I know technically speaking we are the underdogs, but I still think of them beating us as an upset (which I am kind of expecting)
I'll start by saying I am expecting us to lose a close one. With all the turmoil going on and with our thin offensive line, I just don't see us pulling it off. I don't like Franklin's comments about being scared and not wanting to throw the ball very far either.
UCF-21
Mizzou-20
I know technically speaking we are the underdogs, but I still think of them beating us as an upset (which I am kind of expecting)
I'll start by saying I am expecting us to lose a close one. With all the turmoil going on and with our thin offensive line, I just don't see us pulling it off. I don't like Franklin's comments about being scared and not wanting to throw the ball very far either.
UCF-21
Mizzou-20
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Posted on 9/26/12 at 6:03 am to KCM0Tiger
I expect Mizzou to pull off the "upset"
Posted on 9/26/12 at 7:24 am to URHatinIt
I've gone back and forth thinking about it this week. I think we pull it out - the guys are pissed off and embarrassed about last weekend, and feel like they have something to prove. I think they come out playing mad, and pull out the win.
That said, things clearly have to improve. After thinking it over, I don't think Franklin is our biggest issue. I still think he is the best QB option we have. Berkstresser led a scoring drive last weekend against the 2nd and 3rd teamers from USC's defense - not the starters. He might be able to pull off the win this weekend, but it would also be a good game for Franklin to regain some confidence against a lesser defense than the last 2 he faced, and work on his accuracy. That said, if Franklin still plays like he's hurting, they should take him out.
The other huge concerns I have, after watching part of the game again, is our line play on both sides of the ball. Our defense just seems to have forgotten how to wrap up a tackle. And the line didn't get enough pressure on Shaw, or do a good job stopping their running game. They looked good at times, but very inconsistent to me. The offensive line is just patchwork, so it is what it is, but they aren't able to open up holes for either Franklin or one of the RBs to run the ball. We are going to face 2 more defenses better than what we've seen so far in Alabama and Florida, and if we don't improve tremendously those games will be ugly.
Then we come to the punting game. The rugby-style kicks don't get enough hangtime for our guys to get downfield to the return man. He's already got 10 yards before he runs into the first Tiger. That has to change.
Last week, we were outplayed and out-coached. I think Spurrier had us exactly where he wanted us the entire game. He also provided the blueprint for the rest of the SEC to make us look silly. We need this game to turn things around for us, especially if we have any hope at all of a bowl game.
That said, things clearly have to improve. After thinking it over, I don't think Franklin is our biggest issue. I still think he is the best QB option we have. Berkstresser led a scoring drive last weekend against the 2nd and 3rd teamers from USC's defense - not the starters. He might be able to pull off the win this weekend, but it would also be a good game for Franklin to regain some confidence against a lesser defense than the last 2 he faced, and work on his accuracy. That said, if Franklin still plays like he's hurting, they should take him out.
The other huge concerns I have, after watching part of the game again, is our line play on both sides of the ball. Our defense just seems to have forgotten how to wrap up a tackle. And the line didn't get enough pressure on Shaw, or do a good job stopping their running game. They looked good at times, but very inconsistent to me. The offensive line is just patchwork, so it is what it is, but they aren't able to open up holes for either Franklin or one of the RBs to run the ball. We are going to face 2 more defenses better than what we've seen so far in Alabama and Florida, and if we don't improve tremendously those games will be ugly.
Then we come to the punting game. The rugby-style kicks don't get enough hangtime for our guys to get downfield to the return man. He's already got 10 yards before he runs into the first Tiger. That has to change.
Last week, we were outplayed and out-coached. I think Spurrier had us exactly where he wanted us the entire game. He also provided the blueprint for the rest of the SEC to make us look silly. We need this game to turn things around for us, especially if we have any hope at all of a bowl game.
Posted on 9/26/12 at 8:18 am to KCM0Tiger
I fully expect us to win.
Posted on 9/26/12 at 8:31 am to KCM0Tiger
I think we'll win. I'm trying really hard not to revert back to my old expectations as a Mizzou fan. Back in the day I would have not been a bit surprised about a loss here. Looking at the schedule, this is a tough stretch even if you're playing great.
I think this team has lots of pride, and I'm gonna give GP the benefit of the doubt and assume he's fixing our problems, and will have the boys ready to play.
I will say this. If we do lose and play badly, you can forget a bowl tihs year.
I think this team has lots of pride, and I'm gonna give GP the benefit of the doubt and assume he's fixing our problems, and will have the boys ready to play.
I will say this. If we do lose and play badly, you can forget a bowl tihs year.
Posted on 9/26/12 at 9:30 am to KCM0Tiger
We will win, and it won't be close enough to scare us. 27-13. We aren't good enough to beat top 10 teams at this time, but I don't think we are as bad as the final scores make us look in those games.
I think we are seeing lots of missed tackles and poor decision making because of all the pressure on the team. When we fall behind in these games everyone wants to get a big hit and force a fumble. Once we settle down we will look better. This is up to the coaches to preach during practice.
I think we are seeing lots of missed tackles and poor decision making because of all the pressure on the team. When we fall behind in these games everyone wants to get a big hit and force a fumble. Once we settle down we will look better. This is up to the coaches to preach during practice.
Posted on 9/26/12 at 9:45 am to PFizzle
I'm not arguing with you, Semo...you make good points. However, I don't agree with your take on Franklin.
What if Franklin's confidence doesn't come back during the UCF game? That means that Berkstresser would have to face another big must win game against Vandy with a few weeks of very little playing time, and I think Vandy is better than their record. I think they can hands down beat us.
I'd rather sit out Franklin now. Let him heal. For shite's sake, Franklin said he's playing hurt. Why push him to play? He won't heal any faster if he keeps getting hit.
Put Berks in for the UCF game to get him more playing time so that he's more confident going into the Vandy, Alabama, Kentucky stretch.
Normally, I'd be behind Franklin. But a quarterback who openly talks about confidence issues, reluctance to throw down field, and playing hurt needs to sit out for a while. It would be the right thing to do.
What if Franklin's confidence doesn't come back during the UCF game? That means that Berkstresser would have to face another big must win game against Vandy with a few weeks of very little playing time, and I think Vandy is better than their record. I think they can hands down beat us.
I'd rather sit out Franklin now. Let him heal. For shite's sake, Franklin said he's playing hurt. Why push him to play? He won't heal any faster if he keeps getting hit.
Put Berks in for the UCF game to get him more playing time so that he's more confident going into the Vandy, Alabama, Kentucky stretch.
Normally, I'd be behind Franklin. But a quarterback who openly talks about confidence issues, reluctance to throw down field, and playing hurt needs to sit out for a while. It would be the right thing to do.
This post was edited on 9/26/12 at 9:53 am
Posted on 9/26/12 at 9:53 am to KCM0Tiger
I'm not yet going to revert my expecations to early 2000 levels. If we truly have made it anywhere as a program we will win this game.
If we don't win the next two then I will have to seriously reconsider what Pinkel has actually accomplished in the past 10 years, and just tone down my expectations to just being happy to make a bowl game. AND GOD DO I HOPE THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN!
If we don't win the next two then I will have to seriously reconsider what Pinkel has actually accomplished in the past 10 years, and just tone down my expectations to just being happy to make a bowl game. AND GOD DO I HOPE THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN!
Posted on 9/26/12 at 11:24 am to KCM0Tiger
I think this is a game where the heat has been turned up on enough people that they'll either come out, call the right plays, and execute or completely fall apart.
I'm pretty sure we pull it out by a score or two, because I think the alternative is an embarrassing loss.
It is pretty awesome that the fanbase so expects to win that two losses to top ten teams (and not even by that many points compared to fairly recent losses to top 10 teams) has everyone freaking out.
I'm pretty sure we pull it out by a score or two, because I think the alternative is an embarrassing loss.
It is pretty awesome that the fanbase so expects to win that two losses to top ten teams (and not even by that many points compared to fairly recent losses to top 10 teams) has everyone freaking out.
Posted on 9/26/12 at 12:08 pm to Mizzeaux
Does anyone think if we have a losing record this year, that all the progress GP has made is lost?
Think of Mizzou like the housing market. There was a bubble, then it burst, and now we are back to 2002 price points.
The Big 12 created a success bubble, by moving to the SEC it has burst, and now we are back to 2002 again. Retooling, and changing offensive philosophies. If this becomes the case, it's got to effect how Pinkel views his future.
Not saying this is the case, just an idea/theory.
Think of Mizzou like the housing market. There was a bubble, then it burst, and now we are back to 2002 price points.
The Big 12 created a success bubble, by moving to the SEC it has burst, and now we are back to 2002 again. Retooling, and changing offensive philosophies. If this becomes the case, it's got to effect how Pinkel views his future.
Not saying this is the case, just an idea/theory.
Posted on 9/26/12 at 12:12 pm to Mizzeaux
As much as I would have liked to seen Mizzou beat Georgia or South Carolina, the losses in themselves, don't bother me. What concerns me frankly is that I don't think the offense has looked sharp yet this year. Not even against SLU. Of our points scored, 2 TD's on special teams, 2 on defense and 1 on a 76 yard run. I think we really only were able to muster 2 sustained drives, one by Franklin and one by Berkstresser. Having said that, I think Mizzou beats UCF, the question is if its ugly or does the ship get righted.
Posted on 9/26/12 at 12:34 pm to reedus23
I see a win though this game since the start has screamed "trap game". As for this offense has been a slow painful decline since Yost took over. I know DC had Chase to work with but Gabbert, Josey, DA, Franklin (last year) and Egnew were not chopped liver. Every year we get worse in points scored, 3rd down efficency and are making little to no adjustments. To run 5 wide vs UGA & USC was pathetic at every level. As for Franklin I am really split I like him a lot on his character and even his calm demenor I can handle. I do though think that with his injury and confidence shot he maybe should be pulled.
Posted on 9/26/12 at 1:22 pm to KCM0Tiger
MIZZOU wins and I really hope to see improvement with the play calling and the setup of the offense. At least have a TE blocking or a RB chipping the DE before heading out to the flat.
This post was edited on 9/26/12 at 1:23 pm
Posted on 9/26/12 at 3:31 pm to SoCalMIZ
I was certainly freaking out during the SC game. I agree with the analogy you've made and I really think I'm really nervous about the prospect of sucking and going backwards.
Our Agree our success level was subsidized (for lack of a better word) by being in the B12 North.
That being said, I do agree that the O hasn't really looked great in any game yet this year. I'm guilty of being one of the people thinking the backup QB is the most popular guy on the team. Since nothing has really looked great offensively this year, I'm ready to make a change and possibly lose. I'm just not at the point where I'd be happy giving it more effort doing the same things we've been doing in the first four games and losing. I'd much rather take a shot and hope something great happens/lose than keep it the same with a tweak or two and go .500 for the year.
I think it's good to make changes when things aren't working.
I would actually feel a million times better if JF looked great, Yost was making good calls, and we got blown out by top 10 teams. This is just tough so far this year.
If this game comes together, I'm a lot happier. I go off the deep end if we leave Orlando with an L and 18 pass attempts.
Our Agree our success level was subsidized (for lack of a better word) by being in the B12 North.
That being said, I do agree that the O hasn't really looked great in any game yet this year. I'm guilty of being one of the people thinking the backup QB is the most popular guy on the team. Since nothing has really looked great offensively this year, I'm ready to make a change and possibly lose. I'm just not at the point where I'd be happy giving it more effort doing the same things we've been doing in the first four games and losing. I'd much rather take a shot and hope something great happens/lose than keep it the same with a tweak or two and go .500 for the year.
I think it's good to make changes when things aren't working.
I would actually feel a million times better if JF looked great, Yost was making good calls, and we got blown out by top 10 teams. This is just tough so far this year.
If this game comes together, I'm a lot happier. I go off the deep end if we leave Orlando with an L and 18 pass attempts.
This post was edited on 9/26/12 at 3:32 pm
Posted on 9/26/12 at 3:38 pm to Tackle74
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I do though think that with his injury and confidence shot he maybe should be pulled.
The fact that he's coming out and talking about it is almost like he's also making excuses for the future. I don't know if Berk does better, but I'm scared of what the season might bring with Franklin in.
Posted on 9/26/12 at 3:39 pm to Mizzeaux
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If this game comes together, I'm a lot happier. I go off the deep end if we leave Orlando with an L and 18 pass attempts.
Agreed I feel like a win here and a win against Vandy to finally get off the snide in SEC games will go a long ways to pacifying the Mizzou Fan base. That being said, if we lose either of these games or the unthinkable both of them, I will probably be jumping off the nearest cliff.
Posted on 9/26/12 at 4:27 pm to mizzoukills
Kills, I respect your opinion, and we're never going to agree all the time. That's cool! 
I had a long conversation about this game with a good friend of mine who played college football at an SEC school. He compared Berks to Franklin based on the ASU and USC games. I was ready to take Franklin out after last weekend, but he changed my mind based on what he saw from an outsiders perspective.
He felt like Franklin showed a lot of heart, but looks like he's playing hurt. However, even a less-than-100% Franklin, in his opinion, gives us a better chance than Berks, given where Berks is in his development. After the ASU game, he told me Berks has a great arm, but would get eaten alive by SEC defenses because he's not as mobile, and his reads of the defense aren't ready for SEC play. At least not yet.
Franklin's decision making is better, his reads are better, and his mobility is better suited to the OL we have right now. As long as he's not further hurting himself, or affecting his future, I'm thinking he's our best option. JMO.
ETA - the other things I mentioned before are bigger problems than QB play.
I had a long conversation about this game with a good friend of mine who played college football at an SEC school. He compared Berks to Franklin based on the ASU and USC games. I was ready to take Franklin out after last weekend, but he changed my mind based on what he saw from an outsiders perspective.
He felt like Franklin showed a lot of heart, but looks like he's playing hurt. However, even a less-than-100% Franklin, in his opinion, gives us a better chance than Berks, given where Berks is in his development. After the ASU game, he told me Berks has a great arm, but would get eaten alive by SEC defenses because he's not as mobile, and his reads of the defense aren't ready for SEC play. At least not yet.
Franklin's decision making is better, his reads are better, and his mobility is better suited to the OL we have right now. As long as he's not further hurting himself, or affecting his future, I'm thinking he's our best option. JMO.
ETA - the other things I mentioned before are bigger problems than QB play.
This post was edited on 9/26/12 at 4:29 pm
Posted on 9/26/12 at 8:43 pm to semotruman
It's settled......start Mauk!!! 
I'm just kidding. Actually scared of having to burn his redshirt before the years over. Hope that doesn't happen.
I'm just kidding. Actually scared of having to burn his redshirt before the years over. Hope that doesn't happen.
Posted on 9/26/12 at 8:58 pm to reedus23
Fratty Mauk - A New Era Begins.
Posted on 9/26/12 at 10:29 pm to BreakawayZou83
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Fratty Mauk
I like the sound of that. I've been really doom and gloom lately about the state of Mizzou football. I really hope Coach Pinks doesn't confirm my fears this weekend and re-earn the name of Coach Stinkel.
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