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re: Alabama - Offensive Holding
Posted on 9/10/10 at 12:53 pm to 4nmylifetime
Posted on 9/10/10 at 12:53 pm to 4nmylifetime
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If the SEC were to favor BAMA wouldnt that have been the year to do it?
Wasn't Bama still on probation that year?
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Posted on 9/10/10 at 12:55 pm to zack7552
When I asked this on the SEC rant. bammers told me I was paranoid. And I am, but that's still wrong.
Posted on 9/10/10 at 12:58 pm to Chimlim
I'm sorry, I don't usually buy into conspiracy theories but this is RIDICULOUS!
Posted on 9/10/10 at 12:58 pm to Chimlim
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Wasn't Bama still on probation that year?
When is Bama not on probation?
Posted on 9/10/10 at 12:58 pm to Tigercowboy
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But they also get called for some of them.
true, but what I was getting at is Bama may have had less that were questionable and thus got by without getting called. I just dont buy into the whole conspiracy thing, if its in regards to holding calls. The refs can alter a game in so many more ways than that....
Posted on 9/10/10 at 1:05 pm to SOUTHFLATIGER
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How is this possible:
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Alabama has gone 42 quarters (10-and-a-half games) without being penalized for offensive holding.
It is NOT possible!!
signed,
The LSU/UNC officials
Posted on 9/10/10 at 1:28 pm to RANDY44
Surprising to me how national media hasn't been all over this. This is not a new phenomena either. I remember watching Bama teams in 90's and early 2000's holding like crazy and no hankies.
The notion that Saban somehow "disciplines" his team from committing holding is laughable. He coached at LSU and I doubt we went more than 2-3 games at best without a holding flag.
You could actually do a study on Sabans LSU teams and his at Bama for about as good of a real life controlled study as possible on this.
Really pisses me off!!
The notion that Saban somehow "disciplines" his team from committing holding is laughable. He coached at LSU and I doubt we went more than 2-3 games at best without a holding flag.
You could actually do a study on Sabans LSU teams and his at Bama for about as good of a real life controlled study as possible on this.
Really pisses me off!!
Posted on 9/10/10 at 1:41 pm to SOUTHFLATIGER
I've seen Alabama fans answer this question with, "Look at '95 Nebraska, they weren't called for holding!"
And I actually think they're onto something there. When a team reaches almost mythical status, subjective calls become influenced.
Bama is on a run similar to USC several years back. I'm not doing research, but I bet you could find USC's subjective calls against were less than the norm.
Another factor when talking subjectivity is the familiarity the officials have with the Bama program. Most (2 out of 3) are from the state of Alabama. When Saban hires officials for practices, scrimmages, or any other functions, where do they come from?
I'm not claiming conspiracy. Only pointing out something much stronger than that.
Human nature.
It's the same thing that has influenced penalties and yards in the SEC for decades.
And I actually think they're onto something there. When a team reaches almost mythical status, subjective calls become influenced.
Bama is on a run similar to USC several years back. I'm not doing research, but I bet you could find USC's subjective calls against were less than the norm.
Another factor when talking subjectivity is the familiarity the officials have with the Bama program. Most (2 out of 3) are from the state of Alabama. When Saban hires officials for practices, scrimmages, or any other functions, where do they come from?
I'm not claiming conspiracy. Only pointing out something much stronger than that.
Human nature.
It's the same thing that has influenced penalties and yards in the SEC for decades.
Posted on 9/10/10 at 1:43 pm to Mayhawman
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Pocket presents?
It's pocket presence.
Posted on 9/10/10 at 1:44 pm to Mayhawman
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Pocket presents?
LMAO. I tell all of the ladies I have a present in my pocket.
(Ok, not really.)
Posted on 9/10/10 at 1:45 pm to Mayhawman
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Pocket presents?
You mean "presents" (i.e. money) in the pocket of the official?
Posted on 9/10/10 at 1:46 pm to SOUTHFLATIGER
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How is this possible:
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Alabama has gone 42 quarters (10-and-a-half games) without being penalized for offensive holding.
That's a great question. Maybe you should write them and ask. Here is there address.
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Southeastern Conference
2201 Richard Arrington Blvd. North
Birmingham, AL 35203
(205) 458-3000
Posted on 9/10/10 at 1:53 pm to cggeaxtigers
Officals think the Bear is Back. When the "Bear" was coaching the Tide you always had to play against 18, regardless it playing at home or on the road.
Posted on 9/10/10 at 1:53 pm to SOUTHFLATIGER
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How is this possible:
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Alabama has gone 42 quarters (10-and-a-half games) without being penalized for offensive holding.
The refs are keeping a BLIND eye on the Alabama OL. It's the same eye they used in reviewing Peterson's interception last year.
This post was edited on 9/10/10 at 1:56 pm
Posted on 9/10/10 at 1:59 pm to WelcomeToDeathValley
Slive's office is in Alabama...nuff said
Posted on 9/10/10 at 2:00 pm to aglandry
What is even more amazing than the favor Alabama gets and the disfavor LSU with refs is the fact that so many think the bias doesn't exist. That is what is truly amazing.
Posted on 9/10/10 at 2:01 pm to wahoocs
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I've seen Alabama fans answer this question with, "Look at '95 Nebraska, they weren't called for holding!"
Is there a link to prove this claim?
Posted on 9/10/10 at 2:02 pm to omegaman66
A stat I would love to find out is how many holding calls LSU opponents get when facing our defense. I swear I can count them on 1 hand for the last 3 or so seasons.
Posted on 9/10/10 at 2:04 pm to aglandry
Alabama under Saban:
2007 Penalties: 1st, Opponents Penalties: 1st
2008 Penalties: 2nd, Opponents Penalties: 6th
2009 Penalties: 4th, Opponents Penalties: 3rd
Bama has been in the top 4 in fewest penalties each of Saban's 3 seasons. Is it because "Saban coaches them up" to avoid penalties? If so, I wish Saban had known how to do that at LSU. We finished 10th, 4th, 5th, 9th, and 4th in fewest penalties during his 5-year stay. But maybe Saban has improved as a coach since he was at LSU.
What may surprise you is that Alabama was pretty good at avoiding penalties under Shula, too. They finished 4th, 6th, 4th, and 6th from 2003-2006. Alabama has been in the top half of the conference in fewest penalties for 7 straight years, spanning the tenures of 2 head coaches.
So, what is the common denominator here? It appears that regardless of the head coach, the crimson "A" does not get flagged at the same rate as the rest of the SEC.
Second, how do you explain opponents' penalties? When someone plays Bama, they suddenly become penalty-plagued? Every SEC team plays the same pool of teams, so everyone's "opponents' penalties" should be almost exactly the same. And if there are minor differences due to random variation, each team should randomly bounce up and down the rankings from year to year in the "opponents' penalties" category.
In 05 and 06, Bama finished 4th and 1st in opponents' penalties.
How does a team finish in the top half of the SEC (twice finishing 1st) every year during a 5-year span, in a statistic (opp. penalties) that should randomly bounce around from year to year?
2007 Penalties: 1st, Opponents Penalties: 1st
2008 Penalties: 2nd, Opponents Penalties: 6th
2009 Penalties: 4th, Opponents Penalties: 3rd
Bama has been in the top 4 in fewest penalties each of Saban's 3 seasons. Is it because "Saban coaches them up" to avoid penalties? If so, I wish Saban had known how to do that at LSU. We finished 10th, 4th, 5th, 9th, and 4th in fewest penalties during his 5-year stay. But maybe Saban has improved as a coach since he was at LSU.
What may surprise you is that Alabama was pretty good at avoiding penalties under Shula, too. They finished 4th, 6th, 4th, and 6th from 2003-2006. Alabama has been in the top half of the conference in fewest penalties for 7 straight years, spanning the tenures of 2 head coaches.
So, what is the common denominator here? It appears that regardless of the head coach, the crimson "A" does not get flagged at the same rate as the rest of the SEC.
Second, how do you explain opponents' penalties? When someone plays Bama, they suddenly become penalty-plagued? Every SEC team plays the same pool of teams, so everyone's "opponents' penalties" should be almost exactly the same. And if there are minor differences due to random variation, each team should randomly bounce up and down the rankings from year to year in the "opponents' penalties" category.
In 05 and 06, Bama finished 4th and 1st in opponents' penalties.
How does a team finish in the top half of the SEC (twice finishing 1st) every year during a 5-year span, in a statistic (opp. penalties) that should randomly bounce around from year to year?
Posted on 9/10/10 at 2:06 pm to cosmicdingo
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When I asked this on the SEC rant. bammers told me I was paranoid. And I am, but that's still wrong.
Your not paranoid if you're correct.
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