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Onside kick with SEC speed and skill and dependable D
Posted on 8/3/09 at 7:54 pm
Posted on 8/3/09 at 7:54 pm
I posted on this board as I am not looking for info only as it relates to LSU. For those of you who know football probability, what is the likelihood of an onside kick being recovered by the kickoff team?
Would those odds increase significantly if an LSU unit had small and tall speedsters (Randle, Toliver,Lafell, TH, Patrick Peterson, Jai Eugene, Ron Brooks, Morris Claiborne, etc.) going after on an onside kick after practicing it much, much, much more than it would under normal team practices.
Add to it, a solid D, for minimizing recoveries by the other team.
Is this still a dangerous gamble? COuld this be more successful against slower OOC teams (OSU, ND, Michigan, etc.? Obviously other teams might have similar ingredients. I just used LSU as an example b/c I know more of their capabilities.
Thanks in advance
Would those odds increase significantly if an LSU unit had small and tall speedsters (Randle, Toliver,Lafell, TH, Patrick Peterson, Jai Eugene, Ron Brooks, Morris Claiborne, etc.) going after on an onside kick after practicing it much, much, much more than it would under normal team practices.
Add to it, a solid D, for minimizing recoveries by the other team.
Is this still a dangerous gamble? COuld this be more successful against slower OOC teams (OSU, ND, Michigan, etc.? Obviously other teams might have similar ingredients. I just used LSU as an example b/c I know more of their capabilities.
Thanks in advance
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Posted on 8/3/09 at 7:58 pm to KnoxvilleBerryTiger
Surprise > speed with this.
Posted on 8/3/09 at 8:26 pm to KnoxvilleBerryTiger
it's all about the kick
Posted on 8/3/09 at 8:41 pm to rockchlkjayhku11
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it's all about the kick
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Surprise > speed with this.
I hear ya, but what if you have a crazy good kicker, and you work on this in an abnormal way, say 20 minutes or more per practice.
Could it put you at 50/50?
Posted on 8/3/09 at 9:24 pm to KnoxvilleBerryTiger
Ask Auburn and Georgia tech
Posted on 8/3/09 at 9:24 pm to Geaux9
Why?
Posted on 8/3/09 at 9:25 pm to KnoxvilleBerryTiger
No, if a team is expecting it, odds are they could block the oncoming team and let it go out of bounds most times if they wanted.
Posted on 8/3/09 at 10:01 pm to KnoxvilleBerryTiger
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Why?
Because those are the only two teams we surprised with onside kicks last year and we recovered both.
Posted on 8/3/09 at 10:07 pm to KnoxvilleBerryTiger
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I hear ya, but what if you have a crazy good kicker, and you work on this in an abnormal way, say 20 minutes or more per practice
if youre practicing it that much, you wont even be close enough in the game to where they'll help you.
Posted on 8/3/09 at 10:40 pm to rockchlkjayhku11
I'm guessing the reason the OP asks this question is that onside kicks are supposed to be a specialty of new LSU kicker Josh Jasper.
To answer, I would agree that surprise >>>> speed for success.
To answer, I would agree that surprise >>>> speed for success.
Posted on 8/4/09 at 2:11 am to HeartOfGeauxld
On a side note everytime on onside kick was kicked on NCAA 09 and I recovered it (as the receiving team) I just run backwards and had a wall of blockers and got a TD everytime lol
Posted on 8/4/09 at 2:57 am to CNB
Arkansas was 3/3 on onside kicks last year, i believe 
Posted on 8/4/09 at 5:01 am to FootballHog
On side kicks are great if you catch the team offguard if not you give them great position. SPeed doesn't so much have anything to do with it as the other team spotting it and defending properly.
Miles has made his name in trick or specialty plays and has done well at them, that said they have bite him hard at times.
Statistically on-side kicks usually don't go well most are recovered by the receiving team. As said if you get it back it is a big boost to the team and can really help.
Miles has made his name in trick or specialty plays and has done well at them, that said they have bite him hard at times.
Statistically on-side kicks usually don't go well most are recovered by the receiving team. As said if you get it back it is a big boost to the team and can really help.
Posted on 8/4/09 at 11:15 am to KnoxvilleBerryTiger
Not a bad question...
Posted on 8/4/09 at 11:21 am to KnoxvilleBerryTiger
I believe suprise is a great benefit but have also seen many instances where even the announcers knew it was coming and called it before...in which case, execution is another factor that success percentage depends on.
"How the ball bounces" is HUGE to and there is a lot out of your control on this one.
Good hands > good speed on the onside kick personnel imo.
"How the ball bounces" is HUGE to and there is a lot out of your control on this one.
Good hands > good speed on the onside kick personnel imo.
Posted on 8/4/09 at 1:53 pm to Geauxtiga
Your only kicking the damn ball 10 yards its more about being quick off the line not pure speed. Besides, most onside kicks turn into more of a jump ball now anyway.
Posted on 8/4/09 at 1:54 pm to FootballHog
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Arkansas was 3/3 on onside kicks last year, i believe
nope, we did one after a TD against LSU and our kicker whiffed on the catch and they recovered
Posted on 8/4/09 at 4:15 pm to GoHoGsGo06
anyone have hard numbers on recovered onside kicks last year??
Thanks for the input. I just wonder if you put superior athletes in a position to get an onside kick, will this payoff surprise or not? Let's face it, a few SEC teams, among others 9USC, texas) have a sick number of athletes that could line up to one side of the field to make a go of it. Which brings me to my next question. Could they line up all 10 on one side?? To me, this could serve to further tilt the balance to the more athletic team.
Thanks for the input. I just wonder if you put superior athletes in a position to get an onside kick, will this payoff surprise or not? Let's face it, a few SEC teams, among others 9USC, texas) have a sick number of athletes that could line up to one side of the field to make a go of it. Which brings me to my next question. Could they line up all 10 on one side?? To me, this could serve to further tilt the balance to the more athletic team.
Posted on 8/4/09 at 4:20 pm to KnoxvilleBerryTiger
I believe you would have to ask WRT, after all he's the football expert around here. 
Posted on 8/4/09 at 4:55 pm to pult44
quote:AT LEAST 10 but many are more and/or less; hence, the execution and the "out of your control" factor.
Your only kicking the damn ball 10 yards
quote:Excactly why good hands > speed.
its more about being quick off the line not pure speed. Besides, most onside kicks turn into more of a jump ball now anyway.
Thanks, you purty much reinforced everything I stated in your attempt to dumb-down my opinion.
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