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Thoughts on adding SEC teams to the schedule.......
Posted on 7/29/09 at 11:35 pm
Posted on 7/29/09 at 11:35 pm
in place of OOC games.
What about playing 10 SEC games, 1 cupcake OOC and 1 decent or better OOC (like GT or PSU)? For example, LSU would play all SECW teams plus UF as its permanent East team and rotate 4 of the remaining 5 east teams instead of 2. Keep the money in-conference, still get exposure in other parts of the country w/ the 2 OOC games and it would more than likely benefit SOS.
I’d rather play UK and USCw then ULL and Tulane.
What about playing 10 SEC games, 1 cupcake OOC and 1 decent or better OOC (like GT or PSU)? For example, LSU would play all SECW teams plus UF as its permanent East team and rotate 4 of the remaining 5 east teams instead of 2. Keep the money in-conference, still get exposure in other parts of the country w/ the 2 OOC games and it would more than likely benefit SOS.
I’d rather play UK and USCw then ULL and Tulane.
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Posted on 7/29/09 at 11:37 pm to LittleJerry
I don't hate this idea, but it really limits the conference's chances of getting a national championship I would think.
Posted on 7/29/09 at 11:38 pm to LittleJerry
Many pros and cons here. More big games is good, but don't you think our teams get beat up enough in the SEC?
Posted on 7/29/09 at 11:41 pm to Crimsonpanther13
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don't you think our teams get beat up enough in the SEC?
This. Also you fail to fully understand the implications of this on smaller programs.
Posted on 7/29/09 at 11:43 pm to Crimsonpanther13
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Many pros and cons here. More big games is good, but don't you think our teams get beat up enough in the SEC?
Agree. Ok split the difference. Play 9 SEC, 1 cupcake (ULL), 1 so-so (Wash.), and 1 decent or better (GT, PSU).
Posted on 7/29/09 at 11:52 pm to LSUtigahs28
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Also you fail to fully understand the implications of this on smaller programs.
I understand the implications. Just didn't consider them b/c whatever they are would only factor into my decision if it would negatively affect LSU and/or the SEC. Which I believe cutting out the smaller programs would not.
Posted on 7/29/09 at 11:55 pm to LittleJerry
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it would negatively affect LSU and/or the SEC. Which I believe cutting out the smaller programs would not.
Actually it would.
Those football games float not only the football teams, but those programs basketball, baseball, and other programs.
LSU does need those teams to have baseball and basketball teams because we can't afford extra road trips in those two sports.
Especially considering the lost revenue from losing a home game or two every year.
This post was edited on 7/29/09 at 11:56 pm
Posted on 7/30/09 at 12:09 am to LSUtigahs28
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Those football games float not only the football teams, but those programs basketball, baseball, and other programs.
LSU does need those teams to have baseball and basketball teams because we can't afford extra road trips in those two sports.
I don't understand. You're saying w/o the LSUs of the world playing and paying them, all the smaller programs would closeup shop? IMO they'd just operate on a much smaller budget. Besides, we'd still play 1 rent-a-win a year, just not 3.
Posted on 7/30/09 at 12:26 am to LittleJerry
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You're saying w/o the LSUs of the world playing and paying them, all the smaller programs would closeup shop?
Basically. Renting a win 4x per season pays for a very larger portion of a school's Athletic Department budget.
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IMO they'd just operate on a much smaller budget.
Of course some sports would be kept, but they would have to cut other sports and baseball is often a significant loss of revenue for most schools.
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Besides, we'd still play 1 rent-a-win a year, just not 3.
Which means that some smaller schools would survive, but imagine if two of ULM/ULM/Tulane closed their baseball program our baseball schedule would go haywire.
Then add in the bad PR from stories about the SEC squeezing out smaller programs..........
Posted on 7/30/09 at 12:29 am to LittleJerry
OOC games are hugely important to small programs.
Posted on 7/30/09 at 12:30 am to LittleJerry
I just wish teams would play two good OOC games, then one decent one, and lastly an obvious win. Of course that's not the case right now.
Posted on 7/30/09 at 12:52 am to LittleJerry
quote:if we are adding SEC games, we might as well go the whole way and make it a round robin 11.
What about playing 10 SEC games
also, 10 SEC games means an extra 12 loses within the SEC making it near impossible to get a team into the national championship.
Posted on 7/30/09 at 12:55 am to Giggity Giggity
I wouldn't mind doing this for a few years and then going back to the regular thing.
Posted on 7/30/09 at 12:56 am to LSUtigahs28
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Which means that some smaller schools would survive, but imagine if two of ULM/ULM/Tulane closed their baseball program our baseball schedule would go haywire.
Good point. But currently we're trying to pull the plug on the Tulane contract. What if LSU or any other SEC school never plays Tulane again who usually schedules 2 SEC opponents/year. There are still major D1 programs throughout the southeast to consider; UF,FSU,Miami,GT,Clemson,UNC,UV,WV,etc. I think given our current economic condition your going to see the top programs (ie the SEC) trending toward scheduling 2-3 revenue generating games rather than the Tulanes and ULLs that fans are just not buying tickets to; on both sides.
Posted on 7/30/09 at 1:12 am to LittleJerry
I was wondering how some of you justified playing poopy OOC opponents. Impressive. You have made yourselves out to be saviours. If it were not for you, then the little schools would fall apart? BS. That is just an excuse you use to make yourself feel better.
Many teams (including LSU) play @4 poopy OOC opponents (not common in the maligned PAC10 for all of you naysayers). Is there money going to officials or higher-ups somewhere for the agreement? Could well be. But it is not out of the goodness of the big teams' hearts. 4 crap OOC games means you can drop most of your in-conference games and still go to a bowl.
...is how I see it.
Many teams (including LSU) play @4 poopy OOC opponents (not common in the maligned PAC10 for all of you naysayers). Is there money going to officials or higher-ups somewhere for the agreement? Could well be. But it is not out of the goodness of the big teams' hearts. 4 crap OOC games means you can drop most of your in-conference games and still go to a bowl.
...is how I see it.
Posted on 7/30/09 at 1:18 am to JuniperSprouts
With 10 SEC Games every team would be so beat up the SEC would have no shot at the title game. Every team beats the crap out of each other. I think 8 games is plenty. What the point of having the best team in the conference go 8-2 in conference play every year.
Posted on 7/30/09 at 1:20 am to mmjones87
Playing 10 games makes no sense if we still have a championship game. Making it harder to win a championship (and get that huge payout) and still finding a champion the bullshite way.
The Pac 10 system > SEC system for truly deciding a champion. We couldn't do the Pac 10 system though without cutting Arkansas and Mississippi State out of the conference.
The Pac 10 system > SEC system for truly deciding a champion. We couldn't do the Pac 10 system though without cutting Arkansas and Mississippi State out of the conference.
Posted on 7/30/09 at 1:23 am to LittleJerry
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Good point. But currently we're trying to pull the plug on the Tulane contract.
We're trying to pull the plug on a home/home deal we signed with Tulane to keep them from dropping a division post-Katrina. It has been a huge PitA during scheduling because playing two away OoC games in a year(As we would be if we stuck to the contract this coming year.) is basically undoable.
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I think given our current economic condition your going to see the top programs (ie the SEC) trending toward scheduling 2-3 revenue generating games rather than the Tulanes and ULLs that fans are just not buying tickets to; on both sides.
We generate more revenue with those games than a home/home with UW.
People might not show to Tulane, but almost all of the tickets are already sold anyway, and the revenue from 2x home games with Tulane is greater than the revenue from an extra packed big OoC game(Since we would get nothing from the trip to that opponent.)
The simple fact is that 3-4x rent-a-wins is a win for everyone involved in CFB.
The small schools survive. The big schools get money, rest for their team, and a win.
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There are still major D1 programs throughout the southeast to consider; UF,FSU,Miami,GT,Clemson,UNC,UV,WV,etc.
That still leaves someone out since FSU would have to cut a game against FIU or FAU. Multiply that across every SEC school. Someone is going to get pinched out.
Posted on 7/30/09 at 1:27 am to JuniperSprouts
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That is just an excuse you use to make yourself feel better.
For doing what? Allowing kids the dream of playing college football/basketball/baseball/soccer/gymnastics.
Are you actually going to dispute the facts of what I've said, because its well documented that schools depend on that money.
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Many teams (including LSU) play @4 poopy OOC opponents (not common in the maligned PAC10 for all of you naysayers).
Keep your argument focused. Random insults that don't land don't help your position.
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Is there money going to officials or higher-ups somewhere for the agreement? Could well be. But it is not out of the goodness of the big teams' hearts. 4 crap OOC games means you can drop most of your in-conference games and still go to a bowl.
...is how I see it.
Of course there is an advantage for the big schools involved. Not only what you mentioned, but revenue, rest during a tough conference slate, and good PR.
No one has ever said that BCS schools are huge philanthropists, the point is simply that in this case the two sides desires coincide.
Posted on 7/30/09 at 1:27 am to JuniperSprouts
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(not common in the maligned PAC10 for all of you naysayers).
That is b/c you're forced to play those "poopy" opponents -- they're in your conference. The PAC10 sucks and it'll only get worst.
read it and weep
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