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Muh “10-win seasons”
Posted on 11/28/25 at 12:21 pm
Posted on 11/28/25 at 12:21 pm
They just showed a graphic saying Ole Miss only had a few 10 win seasons in their first 125 years, and 4 since Lane took over. That stat is so disingenuous.
For the first ~75 of those season, teams only PLAYED 10 games in most years, with far fewer bowl games to get that 10th. A 10 win season was AT WORST a 1-loss season.
X-win seasons are far less illustrative than Y-loss seasons, if you are comparing records across a wide timespan. A 10-win season in 1965 was more like a 14-win season now.
Once more, the media plays on the emotional ignorance of its viewers.
For the first ~75 of those season, teams only PLAYED 10 games in most years, with far fewer bowl games to get that 10th. A 10 win season was AT WORST a 1-loss season.
X-win seasons are far less illustrative than Y-loss seasons, if you are comparing records across a wide timespan. A 10-win season in 1965 was more like a 14-win season now.
Once more, the media plays on the emotional ignorance of its viewers.
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Posted on 11/28/25 at 12:23 pm to Ag Zwin
Yep.
Posted on 11/28/25 at 12:23 pm to Ag Zwin
quote:And it works. Go look at the Coaching Changes board. A bunch of grown men acting like middle school girls.
the media plays on the emotional ignorance of its viewers.
Posted on 11/28/25 at 12:24 pm to Ag Zwin
Posted on 11/28/25 at 12:25 pm to Ag Zwin
“Ten-win season” definitely means less than it used to. Before conference championship games and expanded playoffs, a ten win season meant you were one of the best teams in the country. A lot of teams will win ten games this year.
Posted on 11/28/25 at 12:28 pm to Ag Zwin
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That stat is so disingenuous.
Is it though?
I understand we play more games in 2025 than we did in 1985, but the door swings both ways. Competition within the SEC is much harder now than it was then with the likes of Oklahoma and Texas being added to the conference to compete with other traditional powerhouses such as Alabama.
Texas A&M just had their first 10-win season since 2012 and only their second season of 10 wins or more this century.
Posted on 11/28/25 at 12:30 pm to RollTide1987
Didn't realize the Aggy drought was that bad
Posted on 11/28/25 at 12:33 pm to Ag Zwin
You sound like a fan of a team who hasn't experienced sustained success.
Posted on 11/28/25 at 12:34 pm to RollTide1987
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Texas A&M just had their first 10-win season since 2012 and only their second season of 10 wins or more this century.
Ooooooooooof
Posted on 11/28/25 at 12:36 pm to Ag Zwin
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the media plays on the emotional ignorance of its viewers.
I mean, you could apply this to preachers, politicians and entertainers too but ...
Where tf have you been?
This post was edited on 11/28/25 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 11/28/25 at 12:37 pm to RollTide1987
You’re essentially making a qualitative argument about what it takes to get to 10 wins.He’s merely pointing out, quite correctly, the number of opportunities in the past to even get to that total.
Posted on 11/28/25 at 12:37 pm to Ag Zwin
Ole Miss with the easiest schedules in their 10 win seasons.
Posted on 11/28/25 at 12:42 pm to Radio One
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He’s merely pointing out, quite correctly, the number of opportunities in the past to even get to that total.
Sure. But that doesn't make it any easier given the increased competition and parity.
Posted on 11/28/25 at 12:46 pm to RollTide1987
Let’s do 11-win seasons next.
Posted on 11/28/25 at 12:47 pm to RollTide1987
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But that doesn't make it any easier given the increased competition and parity.
A) The issue doesn’t just apply to SEC teams. They use it universally.
B) Do you honestly believe it is as hard to get to 10 wins today as it was in 1965, especially when you usually start with 3-4 gimme’s in OOC games?
Posted on 11/28/25 at 12:52 pm to Ag Zwin
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A) The issue doesn’t just apply to SEC teams. They use it universally.
But Ole Miss plays in the SEC so it applies directly to them.
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B) Do you honestly believe it is as hard to get to 10 wins today as it was in 1965, especially when you usually start with 3-4 gimme’s in OOC games?
I mean...no. It's not. But that's because many teams in 1965 only played nine or ten games total. For instance, 1965 Ohio State didn't even have the chance to win 10 games because they only played nine.
Posted on 11/28/25 at 1:12 pm to Ag Zwin
10 win seasons are, also, easy to research.
A better metric would probably be breaking up seasons by winning %.
How many seasons at .700 or higher?
How many seasons at .800 or higher?
For example:
Presuming you don't make the CG or Playoffs, you have 13 games (12 regular season + 1 bowl game) to get 10 wins.
That means a 10-3 season to cross the threshold, which is a 76.9 winning % (0.769)
Using that same winning % as a threshold, back when you had 11 regular season games (12 opportunities), winning 9 games was the equivalent (.750).
10 regular season games and the threshold is closer to 8 (0.727) than 9 (0.818), but not by much.
That being said, how many articles or sites list teams by number of .800 or higher seasons? We get winning percentage for the entire lifetime of the program, but rarely season-by-season.
Even ChatGPT spat out a "FML" when I asked it for the top 20 programs with the most seasons over 80%.
A better metric would probably be breaking up seasons by winning %.
How many seasons at .700 or higher?
How many seasons at .800 or higher?
For example:
Presuming you don't make the CG or Playoffs, you have 13 games (12 regular season + 1 bowl game) to get 10 wins.
That means a 10-3 season to cross the threshold, which is a 76.9 winning % (0.769)
Using that same winning % as a threshold, back when you had 11 regular season games (12 opportunities), winning 9 games was the equivalent (.750).
10 regular season games and the threshold is closer to 8 (0.727) than 9 (0.818), but not by much.
That being said, how many articles or sites list teams by number of .800 or higher seasons? We get winning percentage for the entire lifetime of the program, but rarely season-by-season.
Even ChatGPT spat out a "FML" when I asked it for the top 20 programs with the most seasons over 80%.
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I was unable to find any credible public source that has already compiled a “top 20 FBS programs by number of seasons with = 80% wins in a season” — the data simply doesn’t seem to be aggregated that way. Here’s what I discovered — and why a precise top-20 list isn’t possible at the moment.
? What we can say
We have overall program winning-percentage rankings for FBS teams (all games over their history). For example: Ohio State Buckeyes, Alabama Crimson Tide, Michigan Wolverines, Notre Dame Fighting Irish, and Boise State Broncos are among the top-25 by all-time winning percentage.
Grokipedia
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Wikipedia
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Some sources list “winning seasons” (seasons above .500) for many programs; fewer keep public, searchable data per season for “80%+ win rate.”
?? Why we cannot reliably produce a top-20 “= 80%-season” list
I found no reputable dataset (NCAA, media site, or historical archive) that tabulates — for every FBS program — how many individual seasons they finished with a win-rate of 80% or more.
“Overall program winning percentage” is not the same as number of high-win seasons. A team might have a high overall percentage despite relatively few dominant seasons, or vice versa.
Some attempts (on forums or Reddit) appear, but those are anecdotal, inconsistent, and not verifiable. For instance, one Reddit list claims certain counts but includes vacated seasons, lacks full-season-by-season data, and does not meet scientific / statistical reliability.
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?? What would be required — and a suggested approach
To build such a list properly, you would need:
A complete season-by-season record (wins / losses / ties) for all FBS programs.
A definition of “season” that covers regular season + postseason consistently (or excludes postseason), and clear handling of ties / vacated wins.
A program/script to scan each program’s history and count how many seasons meet the = .800 threshold.
If you like — I could attempt a rough “top-10” list using publicly available records (for major programs) — knowing it would be incomplete and approximate.
Would you like me to try building that rough list for you now?
Posted on 11/28/25 at 1:17 pm to Ag Zwin
Yet, Auburn has only had back to back 10 wins seasons once in the entirety of Auburn football history.
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