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DeBoer and Other Elite Coaches vs T25 and T10 Teams
Posted on 10/7/25 at 7:10 am
Posted on 10/7/25 at 7:10 am
DeBoer: 13-2 vs Top 25 (.846), 7-1 (.857) vs top 10
Sark: 17-24 (.414), 6-13 v T10
Kirby: 19-8 (.704), 12-8 (.600)
Kiffin: 18-31 (.367), 4-18 (.182)
Ryan Day: 24-9 (.724), 15-8 (.624)
Heupel: 12-12 (.500), 4-8 (.333)
Kelly 35-36 (.493), 6-20 (.231)
Analysis:
-The SEC East coaches avoided a lot of ranked games compared to the west division coaches
-Sark and Lane… woof
Sark: 17-24 (.414), 6-13 v T10
Kirby: 19-8 (.704), 12-8 (.600)
Kiffin: 18-31 (.367), 4-18 (.182)
Ryan Day: 24-9 (.724), 15-8 (.624)
Heupel: 12-12 (.500), 4-8 (.333)
Kelly 35-36 (.493), 6-20 (.231)
Analysis:
-The SEC East coaches avoided a lot of ranked games compared to the west division coaches
-Sark and Lane… woof
This post was edited on 10/7/25 at 7:26 am
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Posted on 10/7/25 at 7:41 am to tide06
The big thing is trend has continued into his SEC tenure: 5-1 v. Top 25.
Posted on 10/7/25 at 7:50 am to tide06
Believe it was CNS that went 100 games without losing to an unranked team, and that team was an SEC team that had just dropped out of the Top 25.
Posted on 10/7/25 at 7:52 am to tide06
Good because our entire goddamn schedule is ranked opponents
Posted on 10/7/25 at 7:53 am to tide06
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Sark and Lane… woof
BK has been abysmal against top 10 teams and mediocre against top 25 as well.
Kiffin I can give more of a pass on it just because OM is never going to have the money to build rosters as deep or talented as the ones Texas and LSU are able to. At this point I think Sark might just be a fantastic OC and we're seeing the Peter Principle in action with him. Their roster construction is bad and I don't think he has the stones to make a change at QB that, although clearly warranted, would put him on shaky ground if the backup isn't any better.
Posted on 10/7/25 at 8:51 am to tide06
So we literally made the best possible, proven hire.
Talk of getting rid of DeBoer was always ridiculous for multiple reasons...one being who would be an upgrade? That stat proves no one.
Now that doesn't mean staff changes should be off the table.
Talk of getting rid of DeBoer was always ridiculous for multiple reasons...one being who would be an upgrade? That stat proves no one.
Now that doesn't mean staff changes should be off the table.
Posted on 10/7/25 at 9:05 am to Chad4Bama
I think DeBoer is in a fraught time like all new coaches. For example, at halftime of the Vandy game I truly believed he was at a crossroads. I don't think anyone other than the GOAT himself could withstand the negativity of the fanbase - and how it affects recruiting and fundraising - if he held the distinction of being 0-2 v. Vandy no matter how good they may be.
Until he starts lifting trophies, he's in a minefield that could derail his program here. That's tough but that's reality. There is a reason you give a man 10 million a year, 100% guaranteed contracts because that pressure would put my arse in the hospital and I'm only in my 40s.
Until he starts lifting trophies, he's in a minefield that could derail his program here. That's tough but that's reality. There is a reason you give a man 10 million a year, 100% guaranteed contracts because that pressure would put my arse in the hospital and I'm only in my 40s.
Posted on 10/7/25 at 9:07 am to Chad4Bama
Bama may be the first 3 loss team to make the playoff.
Posted on 10/7/25 at 10:16 am to tide06
I am very confident in big games with DeBoer at the helm. He's proven throughout his career that he knows how to win games like that. I'm worried about the games against middling teams that don't move the emotion meter very much. Those are the ones that he has shown susceptibility in so far. This weekend has all the hallmarks of that kind of game.
Posted on 10/7/25 at 11:47 am to JIB
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Bama may be the first 3 loss team to make the playoff.
Clemson had 3 losses last year
Posted on 10/7/25 at 12:53 pm to tide06
DeBoer knows what he's doing. You don't have that record and not know what you're doing. He knows how to win big games. That doesn't mean he's mistake free. He's had his hiccups along the way, but the guy is still very early in his coaching career and seems to still be learning things like most people do with their job. As with most jobs, the more experience you get, the better you are at your craft. Saban wasn't Saban early in his coaching career either.
Posted on 10/7/25 at 1:11 pm to 1BamaRTR
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Clemson had 3 losses last year
Could be a similar scenario. Go 6-2 in conference, make SECCG, win to leave no doubt.
Posted on 10/7/25 at 1:44 pm to 1BamaRTR
Clemson made it as a conference champion. Obviously I meant as an at large.
Posted on 10/7/25 at 2:27 pm to Glorious
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Good because our entire goddamn schedule is ranked opponents
very true Posted on 10/7/25 at 4:04 pm to tide06
Two or three weeks ago folks had DeBoer six foot under. Dead and buried and gone. GONE!
We were talking about some of these other dudes as "shoulda hireds" and replacements.
The reality is, not just a small data sample, but a generous one, says we have the best coach in the country.
until we lose to another 14 point dog.
We were talking about some of these other dudes as "shoulda hireds" and replacements.
The reality is, not just a small data sample, but a generous one, says we have the best coach in the country.
until we lose to another 14 point dog.
Posted on 10/7/25 at 4:11 pm to tide06
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DeBoer and Other Elite Coaches vs T25 and T10 Teams
The knock on DeBoer is losses to unranked teams. His record against ranked and Top Ten is outstanding. Now he needs to learn how to get the team up for unranked teams.
Posted on 10/7/25 at 4:12 pm to LovetheLord
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The reality is, not just a small data sample, but a generous one, says we have the best coach in the country. until we lose to another 14 point dog.
We could lose three games against that schedule and still be deserving of an at large spot.
Posted on 10/7/25 at 4:19 pm to jchamil
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Now he needs to learn how to get the team up for unranked teams.
Our losses last year to TN, OU and UM along with the near loss to USCe were due to QB play and questionable run schemes, but not head coaching.
Hopefully everyone can now acknowledge we never ran anything close to the Kalen DeBoer offense last year due to who we had under center.
When you can’t run your offense and can’t bench your QB you can’t be held accountable for offensive results IMO.
Posted on 10/7/25 at 4:28 pm to tide06
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Our losses last year to TN, OU and UM along with the near loss to USCe were due to QB play and questionable run schemes, but not head coaching.
I would argue playing the wrong QB is on the head coach as well as hiring a Def coordinator with questionable schemes. All of his losses at Washington outside of the championship game were to unranked teams. He's got to get that figured out. FWIW, I do believe he was the right hire and the best available hire
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When you can’t run your offense and can’t bench your QB you can’t be held accountable for offensive results IMO.
He's the head coach and an offensive guy, so I do think there is accountability there. That being said, he's in his second year at Bama. He'll get it figured out.
Posted on 10/7/25 at 5:00 pm to tide06
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can’t bench your QB
He should have been bench at Tennessee and definitely the Oklahoma game. Ty should have been given a shot around halftime of those games. Milroe had his chance but he should have sat in those games.
But say this, Ty comes in against Tennessee, pulls out a victory. Goes to LSU, first ever start, stinks it up, throws a couple picks. What do you do? Put in Milroe? I think last season could have been different if DeBoer makes a change, but we’ll never know. It could have turned out just as shitty.
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