Active shooter on FSU campus

Did them and clemson win their GOR battle and leave the ACC already?

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This is why all teachers/professors should have a gun in class.

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Surely adding 1000 untrained shooters to a highly chaotic situation won't end badly.

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Surely adding 1000 untrained shooters to a highly chaotic situation won't end badly.

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It's not hard to learn how to fire a gun.

And I'm not sure why someone would carry a gun without getting the proper training first.

I think your post is a false dilemma.

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Surely adding 1000 untrained shooters to a highly chaotic situation won't end badly.


It's not hard to learn how to fire a gun.

And I'm not sure why someone would carry a gun without getting the proper training first.

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Surely adding 1000 untrained shooters to a highly chaotic situation won't end badly.

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Agreed. It simply is not possible to train a human being to shoot a gun. Can’t be done. It’s like the roommate switch.

Prayers need to go out to all on FSU campus and connected

If you can please consider donating blood in the next few days.

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Oh yes giving these professors weapons is an incredible idea. Amazing thinking there!

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You make a joke, trying to be funny...

I guarantee that if you were taking her class to fill an elective, suddenly there's an active shooter and someone walking down the hall towards the classroom, you'd be grateful to see her take cover on the side of a desk, pull a Glock 19 out and train it on the door. I don't care if she's a crazy cat lady at that moment in time.

Remember, nobody would be "giving her" a gun, it would be an active and educated decision on her part, where she would have weighed the pros and cons of carrying beforehand. The purpose of carrying isn't to go shoot anyone, it's to avoid being the one shot if you have to.

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Firing a gun is insanely easy.

Knowing when and where to shoot a gun in defense during a high stress situation is insanely hard.

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If you see a guy shooting at people, aim for their heart.

But I can't disagree doing nothing, getting shot and watching other people die is easier than learning self defense, a basic human right.

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And if I’m shaking from adrenaline, he’s 50 yards away, there are people screaming and running everywhere, and I haven’t been able to make it out to the local range in a few months because I’ve got a million other things going on…

What then? Should I just fire into the crowd and hope I don’t accidentally kill someone else (and face subsequent civil suits if not criminal charges)? Or should I just run like everyone else and wait for the police response?

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Sounds like you are just trying to create scenarios in which you are useless or whatever and then pretending like if you can't do something in that situation, there is never a situation where it could be.

If you should run or not has nothing to do with it. What if you are the guy right behind him? Or any other scenario? You just want to point out some fictional situation as a means to discredit all others? That's ignorant.

As well, your scenario is ridiculous. In what setting would you have someone with 50 open yards of distance between you and them, while in an active shooter role and yet there somehow innocent people around him that aren't running away etc? In all directions except the one you are in?

Going further, in what situation would you really want to use a hand gun for someone who is 50 yards away? I'm am expert(highest possible) with a 9mm according to the military, and I'm not sure I've ever fired a 9mm at a target that far away. I had more hits than targets because I was shooting them twice before they fell down as I thought I was missing them. Damn sure no time for that on a 50 yard target.

That said, in a place where I have 50 open yards to take a shot, it's pretty obvious there won't be people around them and I'd take the shot and probably take them out. I'm not sure why I would need any time at the range prior to do that either.

And really, the safety of having guns and things for teachers and stuff IS NOT about what the teachers can do, it's about preventing people from attacking these places to start with. They are soft targets because the shooters know nobody will shoot back. That's why they target them, so they can kill as many people as possible. If they are scared people will shoot back, then they aren't going to attack to start with.

But in the event someone did attack them, let's talk about what is a more realsitic scenario. And that would be a teacher who is in class and gets warning of the shooter. They can then try to prevent entry by locking the doors. If the shooter is able to get the doors down, the teacher could be gun pointed at the door and as they try to come in would have an open shot directly at the shooter from less than 20 feet. They can also be behind cover and would have defenders advantage.