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Is Oklahoma A Top 10 Football Job Anymore?

Posted on 4/3/25 at 10:00 pm
Posted by TrueLefty
St. Louis County
Member since Oct 2017
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Posted on 4/3/25 at 10:00 pm
This is a good article. It also mentions other teams as an example.
It is too long to get it all in here. about 7 min read. Worth it.
This article is linked to On3.
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This post was edited on 4/3/25 at 10:01 pm
Posted by DyeHardDylan
Member since Nov 2011
8567 posts
Posted on 4/3/25 at 10:44 pm to
Yes. They’re one of the winningest programs in college football history and have competed for several national championships over the last 20 years. Venables is a career DC; he was never going to work as HC.
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora
Member since Sep 2012
70171 posts
Posted on 4/3/25 at 10:47 pm to
Didnt read the article, but it's definitely a "if you have to ask" situation.
Posted by lsuson
Metairie
Member since Oct 2013
13781 posts
Posted on 4/3/25 at 10:57 pm to
Dumb shite question. No doubt it’s a top ten job
Posted by Chad4Bama
Member since Sep 2020
7220 posts
Posted on 4/3/25 at 11:06 pm to
One of only 5 true blue bloods in the sport.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
61028 posts
Posted on 4/3/25 at 11:07 pm to
I don't really know if Oklahoma is a top ten job but this is an opinion piece written by a Texas graduate.

Look at some of these takes:

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Who knew that Notre Dame’s revival would be predicated on legally paying players and lowered academic standards behind a charismatic coach?


Notre Dame hasn't had a "revival," standards for success were lowered.

If the threshold to pass a test is lowered from 90% to 80%, a person who scored 85% didn't suddenly become smarter.

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It’s not that Oklahoma dramatically lags NIL per se, it’s that putting payments above board eroded a real differentiating value proposition.


I've always found this talking point to be a sad excuse.

If your school cared about football at a high level, they were paying players before NIL.

Those schools have continued to do so, now through NIL.
This post was edited on 4/3/25 at 11:21 pm
Posted by SoonerInTheFort
Member since Mar 2024
77 posts
Posted on 4/3/25 at 11:09 pm to
your mom is a top ten...."job"..
Posted by TrueLefty
St. Louis County
Member since Oct 2017
16873 posts
Posted on 4/4/25 at 12:03 am to
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Who knew that Notre Dame’s revival would be predicated on legally paying players and lowered academic standards behind a charismatic coach? Not Brian Kelly. And he had a pretty good bird’s eye view in South Bend for a dozen years.

This is one you got from article.
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The structural changes in college football are creating level shifts. It’s interesting to see who that advantages and who it handicaps.


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Last year’s bravura 7-6 performance by Nebraska was its first winning record in seven years. The Huskers have now lost 4+ games for 21 consecutive years. Tradition and past achievements don’t guarantee future success.

The Miami Hurricanes won 5 national titles between 1983 and 2001, appeared in several more of those games, and were the dominant team of their era. They’ve not exactly dominated the zeitgeist over the last two decades.

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Does your school prioritize football? Game day environment, facilities, culture, administrative emphasis and so on. So-called t-shirt fans and national interest matter, despite whatever the Aggies tell you.


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NIL

If that acronym had been in this essay a few years ago, it would have drawn quizzical looks. “You mean the Ed O’Bannon lawsuits?” What are you babbling about?”

Now even the casual fan understands its primacy.

There are a lot of ways to skin the NIL cat.

A single very rich dude who can use it as a marketing tool (Oregon).

The mass mobilization of the upper middle class (Auburn, Alabama, Penn State).

Rich dudes and the upper middle class (Texas, Texas A&M, Ohio State, Notre Dame, Florida).

Ignoring it, then freaking out (Clemson).

Embezzling from children’s hospitals (LSU).

Circumventing RICO statutes (Miami).


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The relevant issue here is not total NIL but the erosion of a competitive advantage.

Paying players through various means was a differentiating tool for OU football. They weren’t alone in that and it’s not “the only reason they were good” – let’s keep the simpleton takes out of here – but if you don’t understand it as a historical part of OU football’s value prop, you’re deluded.

They’ve always been comfortable in the grey zone, and shrugged about that fact viewed against the larger hypocrisies of the sport.

This isn’t a moral judgement – NCAA bylaws can’t be found on Moses’ tablets – but it was a useful competitive advantage for a program that could also sell football first culture, winning teams, and a campus life built around its star athletes.

It’s not that Oklahoma dramatically lags NIL per se, it’s that putting payments above board eroded a real differentiating value proposition.

These quotes came from the article.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
61028 posts
Posted on 4/4/25 at 12:56 am to
Yes, the majority of his "points" make no sense.

The structural shifts around NIL and the portal didn't make Oklahoma, Miami, and Nebraska feckless.

Miami and Nebraska have been struggling awhile now and Oklahoma dominated a weak conference.

Those same structural shifts haven't enabled Notre Dame to reach new heights, they're what they've been for awhile now. A good program that struggles to beat great to elite teams.

I would say that Notre Dame and Oklahoma have been in similar situations for awhile, they're both historical blue bloods that have been consistently good but not really great for over the last 15 years or so.
This post was edited on 4/4/25 at 1:11 am
Posted by KennesawTiger
Your's mom's house
Member since Dec 2006
7604 posts
Posted on 4/4/25 at 1:22 am to
Is Mizzou a top 100 football program?

Enjoy having Harry Potter as your HC, I guess.
Posted by Darth Aranda
Naboo
Member since Dec 2016
2795 posts
Posted on 4/4/25 at 1:45 am to
It’s definitely top 10 and a great job to have considering getting bounced early in the postseason is the standard
Posted by BHTiger
Charleston
Member since Dec 2017
7043 posts
Posted on 4/4/25 at 2:39 am to
Seriously name 10 better?

Alabama
OSU
LSU
Texas due to resources but OU has a better history.
ND has history abd seems to be getting it together.
Michigan- 100% due to Harbaugh, will it last?
Oregon maybe due to $

The rest of the west coast has given up

FSU and Miami have strong history but not sure future. Miami has a horrible location of stadium to campus issue. FSU 1 good year since JWinston.

Clemson has had a better last 15 years but OU blows us away with history.
This post was edited on 4/4/25 at 2:41 am
Posted by TrueLefty
St. Louis County
Member since Oct 2017
16873 posts
Posted on 4/4/25 at 3:18 am to
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Clemson has had a better last 15 years but OU blows us away with history.

Again look at Nebraska. Mizzou was bad due to lack of NIL and transfer portal rules change. Now look at Mizzou in the last two years. Give some schools time to adjust and get better players to compete against top teams in the near future.
This post was edited on 4/4/25 at 3:27 am
Posted by TrueLefty
St. Louis County
Member since Oct 2017
16873 posts
Posted on 4/4/25 at 3:24 am to
quote:

Is Mizzou a top 100 football program?

Enjoy having Harry Potter as your HC, I guess.

Are you telling me that the last two years didn't matter? Where was LSU ranked the last two years? Mizzou ended up ranking higher than LSU the last two years.
Posted by TrueLefty
St. Louis County
Member since Oct 2017
16873 posts
Posted on 4/4/25 at 3:45 am to
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Yes, the majority of his "points" make no sense.

The structural shifts around NIL and the portal didn't make Oklahoma, Miami, and Nebraska feckless.

Miami and Nebraska have been struggling awhile now and Oklahoma dominated a weak conference.

Those same structural shifts haven't enabled Notre Dame to reach new heights, they're what they've been for awhile now. A good program that struggles to beat great to elite teams.

I would say that Notre Dame and Oklahoma have been in similar situations for awhile, they're both historical blue bloods that have been consistently good but not really great for over the last 15 years or so.

What?! Notre Dame made the playoffs and played in the championship last season. We shall wait and see how Oklahoma will do this coming season in football. NIL and transfer portal have help improved Notre Dame football team. Even BK said NIL and transfer portal have been a big part of Notre Dame success last season in football.
Posted by theliontamer
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2015
1361 posts
Posted on 4/4/25 at 7:54 am to
I get the point. And I'd prob place them as a top 15 job. It's a good job, but i would probably choose a better geographical location over it.
Posted by SneezyBeltranIsHere
Member since Jul 2021
3668 posts
Posted on 4/4/25 at 8:02 am to
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They’re one of the winningest programs in college football history


Why do you think success in the 1950s and 1980s matters now?
Posted by DhanTigers212
Member since Dec 2014
9867 posts
Posted on 4/4/25 at 8:04 am to
Ask yourself this. Where does Missouri rank?
Posted by MtVernon
Member since Jul 2024
6450 posts
Posted on 4/4/25 at 8:08 am to
"Paying players through various means was a differentiating tool for OU football...if you don’t understand it as a historical part of OU football’s value prop, you’re deluded....they’ve always been comfortable in the grey zone

So we already know all this. Water is wet and they cheated. This game has been a sham for decades, but suddenly now we want to declare it a sham?

You could swap the words Oklahoma and Alabama in this story also. Of course we know that as well.
Posted by MtVernon
Member since Jul 2024
6450 posts
Posted on 4/4/25 at 8:11 am to
quote:

Notre Dame hasn't had a "revival," standards for success were lowered.



Is Notre Dame football now back in the national picture or not?

I think yes.

You either refuse or fail to understand the writer's point.
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