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The future ain't what it used to be

Posted on 1/3/25 at 2:49 pm
Posted by Whiznot
Albany, GA
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 1/3/25 at 2:49 pm
Unless big changes are made I expect no championships in the next couple of years. Where is the elite talent at skill positions that so many other teams enjoy? I hope that Kirby is up to the challenge but he doesn't seem that dissatisfied.
Posted by SneakyWaff1es
Member since Nov 2012
4065 posts
Posted on 1/3/25 at 3:01 pm to
I think Kirby is turning into Dabo. He wants kids who want Georgia which is great but it’s not how Georgia is going to be the top team year in and year out. There was almost no way anyone but OSU was going to win it all this year. His entire career, Kirby has said you can’t out coach great players. I don’t know how he could’ve been right about that and continue being elite without those players. Caleb Downs, Jeremiah Smith…both of them Georgia wanted and OSU got them. They both balled out all year. Particularly in the playoffs.
Posted by lewis and herschel
Member since Nov 2009
14114 posts
Posted on 1/3/25 at 3:02 pm to
Who is to say....
Posted by Whiznot
Albany, GA
Member since Oct 2013
7468 posts
Posted on 1/3/25 at 3:38 pm to
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Kirby is turning into Dabo
I had that exact same thought this morning. Neither coach seems to see reality.
Posted by SneakyWaff1es
Member since Nov 2012
4065 posts
Posted on 1/3/25 at 3:52 pm to
I think Kirby sees reality and just understands he’s trading being elite every year to maybe being elite once every 3-4 years when it all comes together.
Posted by AlaCowboy
North Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
7353 posts
Posted on 1/3/25 at 3:56 pm to
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Neither coach seems to see reality.


But we're beginning to see the reality of what some so-called Georgia fans really are.
Posted by Whiznot
Albany, GA
Member since Oct 2013
7468 posts
Posted on 1/3/25 at 4:19 pm to
Blind faith? I've never been a true believer. Prove it to me.
Posted by wdhalgren
Member since May 2013
3912 posts
Posted on 1/3/25 at 4:35 pm to
I'll prove it to you, or rather let you prove it to yourself. The next time a Jeremiah Smith is available, give Kirby a call and tell him you're dissatisfied with our talent and want to know what it will take to upgrade. Cut the checks and I guarantee you that Kirby will be more than happy to rent generational talent til your heart's content.

Until something like that that happens, UGA does not have the NIL funds to load the roster with top talent at every position. And it's very difficult to develop players when they bail if they're not starting by end of year two, so you're gonna have to go back and bid for lots more every year, and then hope you can coach 'em up quickly.
This post was edited on 1/3/25 at 4:47 pm
Posted by Peter Buck
Member since Sep 2012
13489 posts
Posted on 1/3/25 at 4:42 pm to
Football is changing and the fire this guy and that guy crowd are going to be living in a constant cycle of wanting to fire people. It’s going to be a difficult existence for them. Especially since they didn’t enjoy the seasons where we won it all.

We are not going to have the talent advantage every year. We also have a reputation for turning on coaches. Other programs do as well, but we are at the top level. Reap/sow…
Posted by SneakyWaff1es
Member since Nov 2012
4065 posts
Posted on 1/3/25 at 4:44 pm to
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We also have a reputation for turning on coaches.
The school or the fans?
Posted by Peter Buck
Member since Sep 2012
13489 posts
Posted on 1/3/25 at 4:55 pm to
Both
Posted by SneakyWaff1es
Member since Nov 2012
4065 posts
Posted on 1/3/25 at 4:59 pm to
How does the school get that reputation? Other than paying like arse during the Richt years…

I fully understand how us fans got that reputation.
Posted by Peter Buck
Member since Sep 2012
13489 posts
Posted on 1/3/25 at 5:10 pm to
But beyond that, $$$ is going to chip away at the advantages we have enjoyed. Not to say we can’t win it all, but being as dominant as we have been is unlikely in the NIL climate. Half our fanbase poo pooed the SEC Championship as nothing. Many of y’all expectations are not aligned with reality.
And before you puff out your chest and say another word, you need to be giving enough that Tanner Potts, Josh Brooks, Brad Bell, and Kirby send you thank you notes. If not, enjoy the ride knowing you are not stepping up to feed the money machine this has become.
Posted by VADawg
Wherever
Member since Nov 2011
46943 posts
Posted on 1/3/25 at 5:24 pm to
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Half our fanbase poo pooed the SEC Championship as nothing


It's modern sports. No one cares who wins conference tournaments in basketball. It only matters what you do in the tournament. Football is in the same place.

Georgia beat Texas twice and won the SEC, but Texas is in the semifinals while Georgia isn't. Anyone with an IQ above room temperature would much rather be where they are than where we are right now.
Posted by wdhalgren
Member since May 2013
3912 posts
Posted on 1/3/25 at 5:24 pm to
I honestly can't figure out what some of these fans are thinking. In this thread they're acting as if Kirby no longer wants top talent? Of course he does but now that takes massive funding, annually. Every year the top athletes want more money, and then the ones behind them on the roster want more too. This is like no-limit poker where the biggest spenders can quickly run you out of the game. If you can't afford to spend at the highest level, the relative roster declines happen in one off-season. This is not Nick Saban dynasty college football anymore.

This post was edited on 1/3/25 at 5:28 pm
Posted by Peter Buck
Member since Sep 2012
13489 posts
Posted on 1/3/25 at 5:32 pm to
quote:

I honestly can't figure out what some of these fans are thinking. In this thread they're acting as if Kirby no longer wants top talent? Of course he does but now that takes massive funding, annually. Every year the top athletes want more money, and then the ones behind them on the roster want more too. This is like no-limit poker where the biggest spenders can quickly run you out of the game. If you can't afford to spend at the highest level, the relative roster declines happen in one off-season. This is not Nick Saban dynasty college football anymore.


Anyone with an IQ above room temperature should see this*
Posted by SneakyWaff1es
Member since Nov 2012
4065 posts
Posted on 1/3/25 at 7:46 pm to
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Kirby no longer wants top talent?
I don’t think anyone said that. I said he seems to prefer kids that want Georgia. He’s said as much in interviews so I’m not sure why that’s even questionable.
Posted by agentoranj1990
Mableton
Member since Oct 2016
1109 posts
Posted on 1/3/25 at 7:52 pm to
I've thought about the same Dabo analogy myself. Kirby is in danger of becoming like Dabo. Maybe winning 2 Natty's does that to some coaches. I think Kirby needs to make some critical decision about the offensive coaching staff like Saban did around 2015. If we are here talking about a first round playoff loss next year or even missing the playoffs, then discussions will have a lot more edge around them. Still Kirby found a way to win the SEC championship.
Posted by wdhalgren
Member since May 2013
3912 posts
Posted on 1/3/25 at 8:44 pm to
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I don’t think anyone said that. I said he seems to prefer kids that want Georgia. He’s said as much in interviews so I’m not sure why that’s even questionable.


It sounded to me like you were saying he's intentionally choosing lesser talented players over more talented players, to the detriment of UGA football. And somehow that makes him like Dabo Swinney.

Kirby Smart learned his recruiting style from Saban; work as hard as possible to get the best players you can from anywhere and everywhere. That hasn't changed at all. What has changed is the highest bidder game that sometimes puts UGA at a disadvantage. Saying we take players who want Georgia is common coach speak for "We take the best players who we can convince or pay to come here, within our means."

As for Dabo, things that he shares with Kirby are he runs his program well, he's a good recruiter, and he faces limitations in his NIL budget. As a football mind, not on the same level as Kirby.



This post was edited on 1/3/25 at 8:48 pm
Posted by lewis and herschel
Member since Nov 2009
14114 posts
Posted on 1/3/25 at 8:48 pm to
Always wondered if our systemic, mettling academic Dean types haven't stuck their fingers back in.....
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