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Take The Human Element Out of It
Posted on 12/8/24 at 5:55 pm
Posted on 12/8/24 at 5:55 pm
College football is broken. Most everyone is unhappy with the outcome whether your team was left out of the playoff or you got in but don't like your seed. These shitty bowl games suck. ex. Who in the hell wants to go play in the freezing cold northeast on a baseball field in the dead of winter in a meaningless game where both teams will have a ton of optouts?
If we're going to pay all the players and treat them like professionals then turn the playoffs into what the NFL does. It's all decided on the field. There are no stupid arse committees. Take the top 5 teams from each Power 4 conference then take the next best 4 teams from the smaller conferences and independents. Every power 4 conference has to play 9 conference games and two of the 3 out of conference games have to be against other power 4 teams. One game can be against a group of 5 or independent team.
12 game schedule. No conference championship games. No more shitty bowl games. You either finish in the top 5 of your conference or your season is over. The top 8 seeds get a bye in round 1. Conference champions get a top 8 seed and all seeding is determined by record, head-to-head if applicable and strength of schedule. The first two rounds will be on campus and after that bowl sites can be incorporated as game venues. Where you are placed in the bracket is predetermined. SEC 2 is here, ACC 4 is there etc...
Finally the last change that needs to be made is with the officiating. There should be no more conference officials. The officials should be (for lack of a better word) nationalized. No more conference affiliation. There is too much influence that officials can have on the outcome of games to have them bought and paid for by a conference.
If we're going to pay all the players and treat them like professionals then turn the playoffs into what the NFL does. It's all decided on the field. There are no stupid arse committees. Take the top 5 teams from each Power 4 conference then take the next best 4 teams from the smaller conferences and independents. Every power 4 conference has to play 9 conference games and two of the 3 out of conference games have to be against other power 4 teams. One game can be against a group of 5 or independent team.
12 game schedule. No conference championship games. No more shitty bowl games. You either finish in the top 5 of your conference or your season is over. The top 8 seeds get a bye in round 1. Conference champions get a top 8 seed and all seeding is determined by record, head-to-head if applicable and strength of schedule. The first two rounds will be on campus and after that bowl sites can be incorporated as game venues. Where you are placed in the bracket is predetermined. SEC 2 is here, ACC 4 is there etc...
Finally the last change that needs to be made is with the officiating. There should be no more conference officials. The officials should be (for lack of a better word) nationalized. No more conference affiliation. There is too much influence that officials can have on the outcome of games to have them bought and paid for by a conference.
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Posted on 12/8/24 at 6:04 pm to BuzzSaw 12
I agree...it is broken..while we are at it lets talk about the elephant in the room. Cut the cord with the universities, let student athletes be student athletes and wear the badge of the university. We need the nfl to absorb this hot pile of nfl lite shite so the guys getting paid all these huge sums of money don't have to play school, they can play football in a minor pro league. In fact, if they are good enough to make millions out of high school let them go straight to the NFL. lol Good luck getting the financially minded institutions that we call universities to agree to that. 
Posted on 12/8/24 at 6:05 pm to BuzzSaw 12
Nah. Let's just expand the playoffs again. That'll fix everything.
Posted on 12/8/24 at 6:06 pm to BuzzSaw 12
I assume whatever team you pull for got left out?
Posted on 12/8/24 at 6:07 pm to BuzzSaw 12
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Take The Human Element Out of It
Hello, my old BCS friend.
Posted on 12/8/24 at 6:07 pm to RollTide1987
Posted on 12/8/24 at 6:08 pm to BuzzSaw 12
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Most everyone is unhappy with the outcome whether your team was left out of the playoff or you got in but don't like your seed.
Only the teams that didn't get in are happy. Don't lose to crap teams and you'll get into the playoffs or compete for conference championships. These players at the Division 1-A schools are making money now, so they are fine and can easily transfer to other schools to even up their NFL stock.
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ake the top 5 teams from each Power 4 conference then take the next best 4 teams from the smaller conferences and independents. Every power 4 conference has to play 9 conference games and two of the 3 out of conference games have to be against other power 4 teams. One game can be against a group of 5 or independent team.
5 is too many. We don't need a 24 or more teams in the FBS division. 12 is still too many as we can see from the teams that got in (Clemson, Boise St, SMU, Indiana, etc). This is getting over-analyzed because teams that don't belong are sad.
Posted on 12/8/24 at 6:09 pm to BuzzSaw 12
It’s going to get way worse!
Posted on 12/8/24 at 6:10 pm to BuzzSaw 12
Call me crazy, but... I want to see an NCAA scheduling czar. Maybe not a paid person working FOR the NCAA, but maybe a voluntary agreement between the conferences.
Every team must play:
- 8 conference games (four home, four away)
- 4 out of conference games
---two of them are scheduled by the school, whomever you like, state directional schools, long time rivals, whatever
-----would pay for those stadium upgrades - net 7 home games overall
---two of them are scheduled by the NCAA Scheduling Czar, not the school
-----must be Power five teams
-----two year cycle of two home and away series (one home, one away each year)
-----team selections are made on a positional basis
-------Example: SEC west#2 vs Big Ten east#4 at home, and SEC West #2 vs ACC north 1 away, next year same teams swap H/A
-------This would add non-traditional or unexpected opponents
-------Nice trips for the fans, maybe locations they have never been before
-------Would measurably improve ALL strengths of schedules
-------Could make these on set weekends, say first and next to last weekend of the year or similar
But hey, that's just me. Seems to me like it would vastly simplify scheduling for everyone and make the toughness a lot more even.
Every team must play:
- 8 conference games (four home, four away)
- 4 out of conference games
---two of them are scheduled by the school, whomever you like, state directional schools, long time rivals, whatever
-----would pay for those stadium upgrades - net 7 home games overall
---two of them are scheduled by the NCAA Scheduling Czar, not the school
-----must be Power five teams
-----two year cycle of two home and away series (one home, one away each year)
-----team selections are made on a positional basis
-------Example: SEC west#2 vs Big Ten east#4 at home, and SEC West #2 vs ACC north 1 away, next year same teams swap H/A
-------This would add non-traditional or unexpected opponents
-------Nice trips for the fans, maybe locations they have never been before
-------Would measurably improve ALL strengths of schedules
-------Could make these on set weekends, say first and next to last weekend of the year or similar
But hey, that's just me. Seems to me like it would vastly simplify scheduling for everyone and make the toughness a lot more even.
Posted on 12/8/24 at 6:10 pm to BuzzSaw 12
Humans program the algorithms, duh
Posted on 12/8/24 at 6:12 pm to redandblackattack
A ton of truth in what you say but as you astutely pointed out the institutions will never give up the golden egg.
Posted on 12/8/24 at 6:13 pm to LSUTigresFan
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5 is too many.
In the NFL we have 4 team divisions and take the winner of each. In college we have conferences with 14 plus teams in them so taking the top 5 makes sense.
Posted on 12/8/24 at 6:15 pm to derp
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Humans program the algorithms, duh
The formulas treat all teams equally.
However, that doesn't mean all formulas are good or accurate.
If bringing back the BCS means bringing back the old BCS computers, I'll pass. However, if it means we can use some of the metrics that don't suck that have been developed since the BCS, I'm all for it.
But you still need some human part if you want the best possible. Because sometimes things happen that the computers can't really see. Injuries, players out for this game, but not another, etc.
Posted on 12/8/24 at 6:24 pm to 3down10
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But you still need some human part if you want the best possible
Why do we need a human element if you do it like the NFL? Roger Goodell isn't deciding who makes the playoffs and what seed they are once they get there. It's all decided on the field. Your record is what it is. You're either in the top 5 of your conference or you are done. Period. We don't need committees or lobbyists or any other bullshite deciding anything. You also don't need referees with conflicts of interest involved either.
Posted on 12/8/24 at 7:59 pm to BuzzSaw 12
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In the NFL we have 4 team divisions and take the winner of each. In college we have conferences with 14 plus teams in them so taking the top 5 makes sense.
I agree with the premise of your OP about the system being broken but this every conference getting the same number of teams is absurd especially given the disparity of schedules WITHIN each conference not to mention the obvious disparity between the strength of the different major conferences.
Clemson, SMU, Miami, and Indiana (of the Big Ten) played a grand total of 5 ranked teams...COMBINED...this regular season and those 4 teams lost every single one of those games!!!
Only 1 out of those 4 games involving the 3 main ACC playoff contenders came against a ranked ACC team (#21 Syracuse) was against an ACC. Throw in Indiana from the Big Ten and here are the results of those 5 games...
#6 Ohio State - 38
#8 Indiana - 15
#2 Georgia - 34
#16 Clemson - 3
#15 South Carolina - 17
#16 Clemson - 14
#17 BYU - 18
#10 SMU - 15
#21 Syracuse - 42
#13 Miami - 38
Alabama, Ole Miss
Posted on 12/8/24 at 8:12 pm to redandblackattack
1. Dump 70 teams from the former FBS and include only teams that can pay a salary
2. Put the remaining teams in 4 16 team conferences.
3. Create a HS draft for those remaining 64 teams. You can opt out but that means you redshirt.
4. Pay the players and give 2 year contracts, pay more for 3 or 4
Stop pretending it's amateur, pay them and get them to sign. Suddenly the NIL money is only used for actual name image and likeness and no more yearly transfer.
Dump most of the bowls, those days are over.
2. Put the remaining teams in 4 16 team conferences.
3. Create a HS draft for those remaining 64 teams. You can opt out but that means you redshirt.
4. Pay the players and give 2 year contracts, pay more for 3 or 4
Stop pretending it's amateur, pay them and get them to sign. Suddenly the NIL money is only used for actual name image and likeness and no more yearly transfer.
Dump most of the bowls, those days are over.
Posted on 12/8/24 at 8:16 pm to BuzzSaw 12
You do not need 4 teams from each conferenc.
But I agree with the premise. I’d prefer you just take the top team from each conference but you can do two if you want.
But I agree with the premise. I’d prefer you just take the top team from each conference but you can do two if you want.
Posted on 12/8/24 at 8:30 pm to jonnyanony
I mean..hey that’s a concise plan..it may be better than what we have…but aren’t we still moving the goal posts on this subject. NIL should be between players and private entities.
Ed Obannon argued that athletes should be paid for Name and likeness in video games. How have we gotten to the point we are at. NIL shouldn’t be used as a salary or an option offered by the academic institution. It’s not a tool to be openly used for recruiting. If we take and manage that out of the equation we eliminate who has the most money as an institution where you will in time see he who consistently pays the most wins the most. We also allow an environment to retain a mild form of student athlete. There absolutely has to be a student connection if they are to be associated with the institution, else, just make it a semi pro league.
Sure, shady shite will happen but it always has and there is a risk with that and ignorance is bliss until your found out.
Honestly,
I don’t know and as long as certain individuals and institutions get theirs it will only get worse imho
Ed Obannon argued that athletes should be paid for Name and likeness in video games. How have we gotten to the point we are at. NIL shouldn’t be used as a salary or an option offered by the academic institution. It’s not a tool to be openly used for recruiting. If we take and manage that out of the equation we eliminate who has the most money as an institution where you will in time see he who consistently pays the most wins the most. We also allow an environment to retain a mild form of student athlete. There absolutely has to be a student connection if they are to be associated with the institution, else, just make it a semi pro league.
Sure, shady shite will happen but it always has and there is a risk with that and ignorance is bliss until your found out.
Honestly,
I don’t know and as long as certain individuals and institutions get theirs it will only get worse imho
Posted on 12/8/24 at 8:31 pm to Govt Tide
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#15 South Carolina - 17
#16 Clemson - 14
#17 BYU - 18
#10 SMU - 15
All I was told last night by Dabo and Lashlee was that God had something to do only with these games.
Posted on 12/8/24 at 8:32 pm to redandblackattack
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NIL should be between players and private entities.
It still would be
But the incentive to pay players changes a lot when it doesn't determine what school they go to.
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