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Posted on 12/3/24 at 8:48 am
Posted on 12/3/24 at 8:48 am
Anybody else here a little concerned with the transition in terms of the style of play of Alabama football and its identity?
Worried we are going to end up like Ohio State (now) or Oregon teams of old that can be really explosive on offense at times but when they go up against physical teams they struggle on offense and defense as well.
It seems this started a couple of years ago, but Deboer just doesn't seem to emphasize physicality as part of the team identity (obviously im not in the locker room) and it appears to be getting even worse.
I also recognize that the increased parity means physically dominating the opponent won't be possible in the same way it was under Saban for all those years. Hopefully I am wrong, and its just a personnel issue right now.
Worried we are going to end up like Ohio State (now) or Oregon teams of old that can be really explosive on offense at times but when they go up against physical teams they struggle on offense and defense as well.
It seems this started a couple of years ago, but Deboer just doesn't seem to emphasize physicality as part of the team identity (obviously im not in the locker room) and it appears to be getting even worse.
I also recognize that the increased parity means physically dominating the opponent won't be possible in the same way it was under Saban for all those years. Hopefully I am wrong, and its just a personnel issue right now.
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Posted on 12/3/24 at 8:50 am to Crimson97
Milroe threw for 2500 yards with 15 TDs and 10 INTs. I would not characterize Alabama as an explosive offense in 2024. Our passing game performance is like something from the 1990s or early 2000s SEC. The running game is not particularly good at times either. Essentially, it isn't good unless the quarterback is hitting big runs.
I'm more concerned with our offense being kind of mediocre to bad many weeks than it being too explosive.
I'm more concerned with our offense being kind of mediocre to bad many weeks than it being too explosive.
Posted on 12/3/24 at 8:56 am to Diego Ricardo
You aren't wrong at all, but I expect this to change with a more competent qb. When Alabama did have success this year it was often times due to big plays more so than long sustained drives.
Part of this is due to penalty issues also of course.
Part of this is due to penalty issues also of course.
This post was edited on 12/3/24 at 10:10 am
Posted on 12/3/24 at 9:10 am to Diego Ricardo
The running backs would’ve had way better numbers had Jalen gave them the ball instead of keeping it himself! There was so many snaps this year that he should’ve given the ball to the back but for whatever reason he is terrible at the read option.
Posted on 12/3/24 at 9:11 am to Diego Ricardo
Half of those TD passes were against Non-P4 teams.
Posted on 12/3/24 at 9:15 am to Crimson97
Well that didn’t start with DeBoer. It’s like fans here have the shortest memories and can’t recall what we’ve fussed about the last five plus years. The move from traditional running football game to passing and what we do now has been going on for at least 5 yrs.
Posted on 12/3/24 at 9:36 am to Crimson97
Welcome to college football 2024. How many three yards and a cloud of dust offenses are winning the big trophy?
This post was edited on 12/3/24 at 9:38 am
Posted on 12/3/24 at 9:42 am to Crimson97
I think that against Auburn we definitely tried to establish a punishing run game. And I think that it opened up the passing game more. Doesn't really matter that our RBs had low ypc, its still effective when done properly.
This post was edited on 12/3/24 at 9:51 am
Posted on 12/3/24 at 9:47 am to InkStainedWretch
Michigan won last year, and georgia the year before
Posted on 12/3/24 at 9:55 am to Crimson97
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Michigan won last year, and georgia the year before
Neither of those offenses were 3 yards and a cloud of dust.
Posted on 12/3/24 at 9:56 am to Crimson97
Maybe I watched a different Iron Bowl but I saw so many big hits on Saturday that I felt like I was watching the Bama defense of old
Posted on 12/3/24 at 10:05 am to RollTide33
Michigan was an incredibly run heavy team last year. JJ mccarthy went like half the season without throwing a passing td
Posted on 12/3/24 at 10:07 am to cdur86
true, but if you look at the season as a whole - South Carolina, Ten, Vandy and oklahoma were all more physical.
This post was edited on 12/3/24 at 10:09 am
Posted on 12/3/24 at 10:32 am to Crimson97
I get what you’re saying but the fact that you are focusing on “identity” confirms the point I was making the other day about there being many more moving parts to the culture of our football program than just W’s and L’s on the field. There’s an expectation especially with old school fans that we do things a certain way and represent certain things, and suspicion of anyone who goes outside that mold. I saw a physical team Saturday but if bully ball is running a tailback 35 times and the passing game is secondary, that’s not happening for us or anyone these days.
Posted on 12/3/24 at 10:37 am to Crimson97
I don't feel like we are any less physical right now than we have been since 2021. In fact, for parts of the year, I feel like we've been more physical than at any point since 2020 on offense.
The defense is certainly less physical in terms of the way it's built and operated. But I wouldn't say we are soft. The only game where we truly played soft defensively was Oklahoma, and that felt more like we were kind of surprised at how they attacked us and it took us a half to get our feet under us.
Vanderbilt didn't physically whoop us, they beat us with motion and movement and throwing the ball. They ran for 166 yards on 3.07 YPA.
The defense is certainly less physical in terms of the way it's built and operated. But I wouldn't say we are soft. The only game where we truly played soft defensively was Oklahoma, and that felt more like we were kind of surprised at how they attacked us and it took us a half to get our feet under us.
Vanderbilt didn't physically whoop us, they beat us with motion and movement and throwing the ball. They ran for 166 yards on 3.07 YPA.
This post was edited on 12/3/24 at 10:40 am
Posted on 12/3/24 at 11:12 am to InkStainedWretch
I could care less how many times they run or pass, I just think there should be an emphasis on being physically imposing versus winning track meets. Its a mindset if you will regardless of the actual play calls.
Deboer seems to be moving away from Sabans philosophy on beating your opponent 1 play at a time and thus wearing them down in the fourth quarter and is instead focused on the outcome of winning the game.
Deboer seems to be moving away from Sabans philosophy on beating your opponent 1 play at a time and thus wearing them down in the fourth quarter and is instead focused on the outcome of winning the game.
Posted on 12/3/24 at 11:15 am to SummerOfGeorge
Fair point, and I might be overreacting. In the past Bama teams wouldn't have let VANDY push them around for 3 yards a pop in the 4th quarter.
I don't know the xs and os and it could have simply been a schematics/execution problem more so than a conditioning/toughness problem.
Its certainly been less of a problem on defense.
I don't know the xs and os and it could have simply been a schematics/execution problem more so than a conditioning/toughness problem.
Its certainly been less of a problem on defense.
This post was edited on 12/3/24 at 11:22 am
Posted on 12/3/24 at 11:37 am to Crimson97
We are actually not that far apart but you better prioritize W’s in the expanded playoff era. I know it’s Bama tradition to whip opponents and make their asses quit, but it’s also Bama tradition to win the big trophy, and you get to play for the big trophy by accumulating W’s, not style points.
Posted on 12/3/24 at 11:39 am to InkStainedWretch
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Welcome to college football 2024. How many three yards and a cloud of dust offenses are winning the big trophy?
Every year if you run for 3.5
3 times in a row thats a first down!
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