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Question for people who know way more about Xs and Os than I do?

Posted on 12/1/24 at 11:19 am
Posted by Violent Hip Swivel
Member since Aug 2023
5622 posts
Posted on 12/1/24 at 11:19 am
Do we sell out on defense in obvious passing situations more than most teams? Seems like we send double inside linebacker blitzes and cute twists and safety blitzes from 20 yards from the line of scrimmage when we probably don't have to.

Blitzing two inside linebackers hasn't worked for years now and they just end up running right up the defensive tackle's butt or get handled by an onffensive lineman or running back before they can get to the quarterback.

We might have knocked down Haynes King twice while he was backing up to pass before the 2 point conversion contest and we weren't even close to sacking him. It was sort of pathetic.

If the goal of a pass rush is to acquire enough good players to get home with four rushers, and we have guys like Mykell Williams and Jalon Walker, why not just play straight up on 3rd downs and rush them?
Posted by Peter Buck
Member since Sep 2012
13478 posts
Posted on 12/1/24 at 11:44 am to
A sack is a bonus in the overall scheme of QB pressure. The main goal is to shorten the time a QB has to go through progressions. Making them throw early or have to move out of pocket. If they move left or right, it typically takes away a significant % of the field they can throw to.

Conversely, some sacks are more about coverage being good. And some are just good individual efforts. Not only do we run blitzes, but we also run stunts with 3 or 4 players that pressure O Line assignments.

Rushing 5 or more puts more pressure on the pass defense, but in theory, the coverage is based on taking away the faster developing routes. In a lot of cases, there is a void left in coverage. Tech was able to beat it a few times by throwing to the TE in the MLB void. The QB had to throw it over the blitzers who were coming but not too far to get the safety involved. He beat it a few times. In OT, we ran basically the same blitz and he didn’t have the time for the long drag route to develop (that they got us on earlier) and he basically threw it out of the back of the end zone. Not a sack, but the blitz helped us win the play.
Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
Member since Sep 2012
42050 posts
Posted on 12/1/24 at 1:24 pm to
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Do we sell out on defense in obvious passing situations more than most teams? Seems like we send double inside linebacker blitzes and cute twists and safety blitzes from 20 yards from the line of scrimmage when we probably don't have to.


I'd say no since that was a huge criticism of Kirby while at Bama but I feel like we pick and chose when to send the house way more than most teams.
Posted by AlaCowboy
North Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
7353 posts
Posted on 12/1/24 at 9:44 pm to
Dan Jackson is the King of safety blitzers. He gets a jump on the snap and is full speed as the OL is starting to stand up and look around. He doesn't always get the sack but he makes the QB run for his life.
Posted by SquatchDawg
Cohutta Wilderness
Member since Sep 2012
16781 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 6:45 am to
Dan does need to keep his head up when tackling though. We don’t need some BS targeting call to knock him out of the game.
Posted by VoxDawg
Glory, Glory
Member since Sep 2012
70145 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 6:53 am to
That his hit on King forcing the fumble going into the 2 min warning wasn't reviewed mercilessly for targeting is a miracle. He's been ejected for less.
This post was edited on 12/2/24 at 7:26 am
Posted by Griffindawg
Member since Oct 2013
7424 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 7:25 am to
Watch the replay. Kings helmet moves before his body takes the hit. Very lucky on that one.
Posted by lewis and herschel
Member since Nov 2009
14012 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 7:37 am to
Jacksons eyes were tracking the football which caused the duck. It was reviewed as all plays are.

Think that game is how all officiating should be, that it was called even and they let them play. We can point to a target on tech in the end zone, a roughing call that was waved off, and a bullshite pi in OT.
Posted by Peter Buck
Member since Sep 2012
13478 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 7:52 am to
If they start calling targeting on runs at the los between the tackles, football is over.
Posted by lewis and herschel
Member since Nov 2009
14012 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 8:03 am to
Agree.
Posted by K9
wayx....BOBO IN '19 &lt-- oops
Member since Sep 2012
26844 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 8:12 am to
Think the blitzing is in response to DL not good enough to win 1 on 1 up front.

But then you have games like Texas where they are super productive.

Chris Hayes has a great video on youtube that goes over the conflict buster was putting us in. He knew what we were doing and exploited the frick out of it. A running QB is kryptonite to Kirby's defense. Need to come up with answer to that in the off-season.
Posted by VADawg
Wherever
Member since Nov 2011
46865 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 9:12 am to
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Chris Hayes has a great video on youtube that goes over the conflict buster was putting us in. He knew what we were doing and exploited the frick out of it.


It was a lot of the same thing UMass was doing. The slot WR was actually ineligible on several plays but we didn't seem to notice or adjust to it in real time for the second week in a row. It was really bizarre.
Posted by HunterDawg
Member since Oct 2024
274 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 9:25 am to
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That his hit on King forcing the fumble going into the 2 min warning wasn't reviewed mercilessly for targeting is a miracle. He's been ejected for less.


I think the targeting rule is way overused. They need to add "malicious intent" to the definition.
Posted by VoxDawg
Glory, Glory
Member since Sep 2012
70145 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 9:33 am to
I agree completely. It feels like the rule has been practically weaponized.
Posted by GADAWG2017
Yulee, Florida
Member since Jul 2017
663 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 10:10 am to
Our D ends are crashing the middle due to poor tackling. This prevents us from setting the edge. Those guys should always keep that edge closed or “stay home”. Running QB’s and backs that cut back across the field end up going for chunk plays. I believe this is due to being beaten up across our front seven. I certainly don’t think Kirby misses it watching film.
Posted by Peter Buck
Member since Sep 2012
13478 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 10:18 am to
I think our middle are doing a solid job. The jet action freezes our ends and makes it harder to step in and seal the edge on a lot of plays.
Posted by wdhalgren
Member since May 2013
3829 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 10:22 am to
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Those guys should always keep that edge closed or “stay home”. Running QB’s and backs that cut back across the field end up going for chunk plays.


I remember one specifically in the tech game. The RB headed toward the right side and Chambliss turned up field instead of trailing the play behind the LOS. Then the RB reversed field and there was nobody home.
Posted by Peter Buck
Member since Sep 2012
13478 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 10:51 am to
That’s a tough one. They ran like a stretch play to the right and Chambliss had back side and was there but got caught in some trash.
Posted by VoxDawg
Glory, Glory
Member since Sep 2012
70145 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 10:53 am to
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I remember one specifically in the tech game. The RB headed toward the right side and Chambliss turned up field instead of trailing the play behind the LOS. Then the RB reversed field and there was nobody home.

Something I don't recall a Dawg RB doing consistently since Swift.
Posted by Violent Hip Swivel
Member since Aug 2023
5622 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 2:42 pm to
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Think that game is how all officiating should be, that it was called even and they let them play. We can point to a target on tech in the end zone, a roughing call that was waved off, and a bullshite pi in OT.



I thought that Tech got a bad whistle in the game and still do. The only thing that sort of counterbalanced it was the play on the last possession of full time where the Tech running back looked like he probably had possession of the pass before fumbling, but the refs didn't even review it.
This post was edited on 12/2/24 at 2:42 pm
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