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The Winning Flop

Posted on 9/16/24 at 7:14 am
Posted by BasedCrimson
Member since Jun 2024
1019 posts
Posted on 9/16/24 at 7:14 am
Hell of a play by Nussmeier after throwing a pick 6. This play won the game for LSU
Posted by rmnldr
Member since Oct 2013
39356 posts
Posted on 9/16/24 at 7:14 am to
LSU still would’ve won.
This post was edited on 9/16/24 at 7:15 am
Posted by Imber
Member since Sep 2017
15958 posts
Posted on 9/16/24 at 7:16 am to
Alabama fans still aren't dealing well with their loss.
Posted by TigerFan244
Member since Jan 2012
2860 posts
Posted on 9/16/24 at 7:18 am to
Saying this as objectively as possible. Not only was it a blind side block you can see that #5 went straight for Nuss’s head/helmet area. You can tell he knew he messed up too with the guilty “I didn’t do nothing” hands up right after he did it too.
Posted by BasedCrimson
Member since Jun 2024
1019 posts
Posted on 9/16/24 at 7:18 am to
quote:

Alabama fans still aren't dealing well with their loss.

Nah I just hate seeing a team get completely hosed by bad officiating - especially when they're the underdog.

But I'd actually like Brian Kelly to keep his job.
Posted by BasedCrimson
Member since Jun 2024
1019 posts
Posted on 9/16/24 at 7:19 am to
quote:

Not only was it a blind side block you can see that #5 went straight for Nuss’s head/helmet area.

Since when is shoving a guy in the chest an illegal block?
This post was edited on 9/16/24 at 7:20 am
Posted by TigerFan244
Member since Jan 2012
2860 posts
Posted on 9/16/24 at 7:20 am to
quote:

Nah I just hate seeing a team get completely hosed by bad officiating - especially when they're the underdog.


This is rich coming from a Bama fan.
Posted by ApisMellifera
SWLA
Member since Apr 2023
586 posts
Posted on 9/16/24 at 7:22 am to
Roughing the passer or high hit? I don't think so.

It was absolutely a blind side block though.
Posted by BasedCrimson
Member since Jun 2024
1019 posts
Posted on 9/16/24 at 7:24 am to
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It was absolutely a blind side block though.

Nope, a blind side block must be from the side - not straight into a guy's chest.

Usually a blind side block is shoulder-to-shoulder contact with the intention of blowing the guy up. This was a textbook block. You can't block someone more legally than pushing them in the chest.
This post was edited on 9/16/24 at 7:27 am
Posted by Lonnie Utah
Utah!
Member since Jul 2012
29169 posts
Posted on 9/16/24 at 7:25 am to
quote:

Saying this as objectively as possible. Not only was it a blind side block you can see that #5 went straight for Nuss’s head/helmet area. You can tell he knew he messed up too with the guilty “I didn’t do nothing” hands up right after he did it too.


Would you like to read the actual rule and try to be more objective?

quote:

Blind-Side Block ARTICLE 18 No player shall deliver a blind-side block by attacking an opponent with forcible contact
(Exceptions: (1) the runner;
(2) a receiver in the act of attempting to make a catch )
(Note: In addition, if this action meets all the elements of targeting, it is a blind-slide block with targeting (Rule 9-1-3 and 9-1-4).

Blind-Side Block—ARTICLE 18 Approved Ruling 9-1-18

B44 intercepts the pass of A12 at the B-20 and turns back up-field on the return

During the return, B21 approaches A88 at midfield from the blind side and blocks A88
(a) with extended hands;
(b) with a screen type block;
(c) by attacking with forcible contact with his shoulder into the chest of A88;
(d) by attacking with forcible contact with the shoulder into the head of A88 B44 returns the pass to the A-20

RULING:
(a) No foul
(b) No foul
(c) Personal Foul, blind-side block, 15-yard penalty from the spot of the foul
(d) Personal Foul, Blind-Side Block with Targeting, 15-yard penalty from the spot of the foul and B21 is disqualified


Reading that description and looking at this gif, Which one of those scenarios best applies? You HAVE to settle on scenario A. The scenario is RIGHT OUT OF THE RULE BOOK.



But, he wasn't called for blindside block. He was called for unnecessary roughness.
This post was edited on 9/16/24 at 7:27 am
Posted by DawgsLife
Ellijay, Ga.
Member since Jun 2013
60658 posts
Posted on 9/16/24 at 7:27 am to
quote:

Not only was it a blind side block

It was not. Here is the rule:

First, the current rule on illegal blindside blocks as written in Rule 12-2-7:

It is a foul if a player initiates a block when his path is toward or parallel to his own end line and makes forcible contact to his opponent with his helmet, forearm, or shoulder.


The player used his hands.

quote:

you can see that #5 went straight for Nuss’s head/helmet area.
He hit him in the chest, not the head.

quote:

You can tell he knew he messed up too with the guilty “I didn’t do nothing” hands up right after he did it too.

He did that because he saw the referee looking at him and pulling the flag.

No offense, but you are wrong on this one.
Posted by DawgsLife
Ellijay, Ga.
Member since Jun 2013
60658 posts
Posted on 9/16/24 at 7:29 am to
quote:

It was absolutely a blind side block though.


First, the current rule on illegal blindside blocks as written in Rule 12-2-7:

It is a foul if a player initiates a block when his path is toward or parallel to his own end line and makes forcible contact to his opponent with his helmet, forearm, or shoulder.


Sorry. But, no. He did it with his hands. He shoved Nussmeir.
Posted by BFANLC
The Beach
Member since Oct 2007
20950 posts
Posted on 9/16/24 at 7:31 am to
It was a hard play and the refs aren't used to tough football anymore. It looked rough so it must be a penalty.
Posted by DawgsLife
Ellijay, Ga.
Member since Jun 2013
60658 posts
Posted on 9/16/24 at 7:32 am to
quote:

But, he wasn't called for blindside block. He was called for unnecessary roughness.


Now, this could be a correct call. I don't believe Nussmeir had any chance to make the tackle. I did a similar thing when I played, and a referee caught me and warned me not to do something like that again or he would call it.
Posted by HighTide_ATL
Member since Aug 2020
2161 posts
Posted on 9/16/24 at 7:36 am to
Personally I wouldn’t have hit the QB on that play, but the guy simply shoved him and the way he’s squirming on the ground like he took a targeting shot to the head is extremely pathetic
Posted by Opry
Member since Oct 2023
5206 posts
Posted on 9/16/24 at 7:37 am to
The acting job by the QB got the flag. The refs are told to protect the QB like a 16 yo virgin girl at prom night......The refs are getting waaay too involved in the outcome of games.
Posted by RoyalAir
Detroit
Member since Dec 2012
6833 posts
Posted on 9/16/24 at 7:38 am to
quote:

Now, this could be a correct call. I don't believe Nussmeir had any chance to make the tackle


If Nussmeier had no chance to make the play, then he should have stayed still. Had Kennard blocked him when he wasn't moving, I'd have no issue with the flag.

As it was, Nussmeier clearly makes 2-3 steps towards the ball carrier, who was likely just south of him at the time. As soon as Nussmeier makes a football move, he's a defender and is eligible to be blocked.

It was an atrocious call, and it took points off the board. You cannot say "well, just play harder and score more points" when questionable (at best) officiating takes 16 points off the board, and a crucial deep first down completion late in the fourth.

There's a part of me that would like to live in the alternate universe where these exact same calls went against LSU in a Bama game. They'd be livid.
Posted by samson73103
Krypton
Member since Nov 2008
8778 posts
Posted on 9/16/24 at 7:40 am to
It's a bullshite call. Reminds me of Quinten Dial hit on Aaron Murray in 2012 SEC title game. That one wasn't flagged and everyone who wasn't a Bama fan lost their fricking minds. Let them play the game!
Posted by Lonnie Utah
Utah!
Member since Jul 2012
29169 posts
Posted on 9/16/24 at 7:40 am to
quote:

Now, this could be a correct call. I don't believe Nussmeir had any chance to make the tackle. I did a similar thing when I played, and a referee caught me and warned me not to do something like that again or he would call it.


This is the ONLY thing that could have been called. However, lets look at the controlling rule:

quote:

Contact Against an Opponent Out of the Play ARTICLE 12
a No player shall tackle or run into a receiver when a forward pass to that receiver is obviously not catchable This is a personal foul and not pass interference
b No player shall run into or throw themselves against an opponent obviously out of the play either before or after the ball is dead


The applicable section is part b. No player shall run into or throw themselves against an opponent obviously out of the play either before or after the ball is dead. However, you can make the argument that when Pussmier starts moving toward the ball carrier he is no longer "obviously" out of the play.
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
38277 posts
Posted on 9/16/24 at 7:41 am to
OP thinks he is making a good point. Instead, he is showing a clip of a legit penalty.
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