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Jalen Milroe Is Better Than Ty Simpson.
Posted on 9/1/24 at 7:05 pm
Posted on 9/1/24 at 7:05 pm
Let me start by saying: I'm a Milroe critic. I've been infuriated by him at times. After the Texas game, I wanted him gone.
HOWEVER, after the USF game, it was clear that he was our best option, and we had to make it work. Nick Saban clearly thought the same thing.
Ty Simpson throws a prettier ball. Ty Simpson has a better grasp of the offense and everything pre-snap. I get why people like him.
But Milroe is just better. His legs give DCs nightmares. He can legitimately take it to the house on any given play. You have to account for his running ability on every down. I don't think he gets enough credit for just how freaking fast he is. He's probably the fastest QB I've ever seen, and I think the combine will confirm that. He's very likely a 4.3 guy.
Milroe has experience and confidence. He's a leader. His teammates love him. He's passionate. He outworks everyone. These things matter.
Milroe has also hit so many clutch passes in his career. Even that TD pass to K Law yesterday was remarkable. He's great on broken plays.
But most importantly, we were inches away from a NC with him last year. We went undefeated in the SEC and beat Georgia. It would be certifiably insane to bench a guy who won the SEC last year and got us so close. This is a transition year. If we can win the SEC, and get to the final four, that's a successful season, and Milroe gives us the best chance to do that. Period.
HOWEVER, after the USF game, it was clear that he was our best option, and we had to make it work. Nick Saban clearly thought the same thing.
Ty Simpson throws a prettier ball. Ty Simpson has a better grasp of the offense and everything pre-snap. I get why people like him.
But Milroe is just better. His legs give DCs nightmares. He can legitimately take it to the house on any given play. You have to account for his running ability on every down. I don't think he gets enough credit for just how freaking fast he is. He's probably the fastest QB I've ever seen, and I think the combine will confirm that. He's very likely a 4.3 guy.
Milroe has experience and confidence. He's a leader. His teammates love him. He's passionate. He outworks everyone. These things matter.
Milroe has also hit so many clutch passes in his career. Even that TD pass to K Law yesterday was remarkable. He's great on broken plays.
But most importantly, we were inches away from a NC with him last year. We went undefeated in the SEC and beat Georgia. It would be certifiably insane to bench a guy who won the SEC last year and got us so close. This is a transition year. If we can win the SEC, and get to the final four, that's a successful season, and Milroe gives us the best chance to do that. Period.
This post was edited on 9/1/24 at 7:08 pm
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Posted on 9/1/24 at 7:10 pm to BasedCrimson
Absolutely!
Posted on 9/1/24 at 7:10 pm to Commander Data
CD!
Posted on 9/1/24 at 7:11 pm to BasedCrimson
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It would be certifiably insane to bench a guy who won the SEC last year and got us so close.
I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with you but you just called Nick Saban in the 2017 National Championship game certifiably insane.
Posted on 9/1/24 at 7:18 pm to RollTide33
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I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with you but you just called Nick Saban in the 2017 National Championship game certifiably insane.
Ty Simpson isn't Tua
Posted on 9/1/24 at 7:22 pm to Carlton
Roll Tide buddy!
Posted on 9/1/24 at 7:33 pm to BasedCrimson
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Ty Simpson isn't Tua
This doesn’t change the fact that “X QB won an SEC championship, so we can’t bench him,” is terrible logic.
That said, I don’t think we can realistically bench Milroe because his teammates seem to love him. My biggest takeaway from the USF game last year was that the offense quit on Saban over benching Milroe. There were some awful effort plays in that game.
I hope Milroe has a great season and makes the jump to the league. I think DeBoer will put him in better positions to succeed than TR did. I was happy with the designed runs for Milroe last night.
Posted on 9/1/24 at 7:38 pm to TomRollTideRitter
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the offense quit on Saban over benching Milroe
Nah. Buchner was just an absolutely putrid QB and the o-line was horrible at the beginning of the season and honestly not much better by the end.
Posted on 9/2/24 at 1:01 pm to BasedCrimson
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His legs give DCs nightmares. He can legitimately take it to the house on any given play. You have to account for his running ability on every down.
Ty Simpson does all of this. He doesn’t have the top end speed Milroe does, but he’s possibly the fastest P4 QB not named Milroe.
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Milroe has experience and confidence. He's a leader. His teammates love him. He's passionate. He outworks everyone. These things matter.
This is why Milroe is starting and will continue to start unless he throws 3 INTs in a game or something crazy.
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But most importantly, we were inches away from a NC with him last year.
It can be argued that he shares responsibility for being inches away instead of winning it. Seth had money on the game, probably. But Milroe had one of his worst games that night.
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Posted on 9/2/24 at 1:05 pm to Tuscaloosa
This is the part that stinks. I think if Milroe doesn't give up the starting job this season, Mack is likely going to past him next season and he have to find an offense that takes advantage of his speed.
Posted on 9/2/24 at 1:12 pm to Tuscaloosa
First, that board post being titled X is better than Y was silly. We don't need to get into this Hurts/Tua civil war.
Second, it's painful to me that this board doesn't understand the nuance of why people aren't confident in Milroe.
We know Milroe is bigger, faster, stronger than Simpson. He's a physical freak. However, Milroe drops bombs on WKU and then it's paraded around as "look how good he is", because you guys don't get why that isn't what any of the Milroe skeptical crowd is skeptical. We know he can drop bombs. We know he can run downfield and out-athlete WKU. That's not what we're concerned about. What we're concerned about is the games where the defense is good enough to take that away
If we go up against Georgia and they don't run two spys, can we beat them with Milroe? If they get pressure with Proctor out, are we going to run in the backfield for a sack? If they take away the deep throws can we make the reads over the middle? Can we read disguised coverages and adjust the line for the backs?
It's the same schtick as when we had Jalen. We know there are deficiencies, did we improve on them? Can we make the throws we need to when we don't have the throws we can expect to make? Is the argument that every defense we play is going to be WKU? We haven't seen anything that tells us where we are in development. We probably won't know until we play Wisconsin.
The issue isn't "does Milroe blow out lesser teams real good". The issue is who puts us in the best position as a team to win it. Michael Vick had the flashiest statlines of all time and he got blasted by a defense with a pulse because he wasn't refined enough to take advantage of it. That's what we're afraid of, another Michigan. Another team that's good enough to exploit that weakness or at least challenge it and then all of a sudden our offense is sandbagging other parts of our team.
For a team that relied so much on guys that could "do what was asked", it's wild to me that we're handwaving genuine concerns over whether our guy can do that because he has flashy stats. We're not even close to knowing if we've alleviated that concern yet.
/rant
Second, it's painful to me that this board doesn't understand the nuance of why people aren't confident in Milroe.
We know Milroe is bigger, faster, stronger than Simpson. He's a physical freak. However, Milroe drops bombs on WKU and then it's paraded around as "look how good he is", because you guys don't get why that isn't what any of the Milroe skeptical crowd is skeptical. We know he can drop bombs. We know he can run downfield and out-athlete WKU. That's not what we're concerned about. What we're concerned about is the games where the defense is good enough to take that away
If we go up against Georgia and they don't run two spys, can we beat them with Milroe? If they get pressure with Proctor out, are we going to run in the backfield for a sack? If they take away the deep throws can we make the reads over the middle? Can we read disguised coverages and adjust the line for the backs?
It's the same schtick as when we had Jalen. We know there are deficiencies, did we improve on them? Can we make the throws we need to when we don't have the throws we can expect to make? Is the argument that every defense we play is going to be WKU? We haven't seen anything that tells us where we are in development. We probably won't know until we play Wisconsin.
The issue isn't "does Milroe blow out lesser teams real good". The issue is who puts us in the best position as a team to win it. Michael Vick had the flashiest statlines of all time and he got blasted by a defense with a pulse because he wasn't refined enough to take advantage of it. That's what we're afraid of, another Michigan. Another team that's good enough to exploit that weakness or at least challenge it and then all of a sudden our offense is sandbagging other parts of our team.
For a team that relied so much on guys that could "do what was asked", it's wild to me that we're handwaving genuine concerns over whether our guy can do that because he has flashy stats. We're not even close to knowing if we've alleviated that concern yet.
/rant
This post was edited on 9/2/24 at 1:15 pm
Posted on 9/2/24 at 1:48 pm to UhOhOreo
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Second, it's painful to me that this board doesn't understand the nuance of why people aren't confident in Milroe.
I'm fine with everything you posted about Jalen in that rant. It's perfectly acceptable to be skeptical until he does it against an elite defense. I'd say he's 1-2 so far in his career against playoff quality defenses. We'll see if he's made progress week 4.
My issue is the other 99% of posters who make a post similar to yours but then proceed to say Ty is the better option who does all the things that Jalen can't with no actual evidence to back it up. Ty has as many if not more question marks than Jalen. His only film is against scrub teams and second stringers at A-day. And none of it is particularly impressive on top of that.
Posted on 9/2/24 at 2:13 pm to UhOhOreo
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Second, it's painful to me that this board doesn't understand the nuance of why people aren't confident in Milroe.
I understand the nuances. However, what I don't understand is why people are confident that Ty Simpson is a light at the end of the tunnel based on what we have seen from him so far. In 2017, when Tua played in garbage time you got the sense that there was a future star in the making just based on how he threw the football and how he commanded the offense. In the games Mac Jones played while Tua was injured in 2019 you got similar feelings. I don't get the same feeling when I see Ty Simpson play in garbage time.
Posted on 9/2/24 at 2:17 pm to RollTide33
Yeah, I have less of a problem with criticism of Milroe when it isn't being done in conjunction with hyping up Simpson. He could be Mac Jones 2.0, or he could be a dude who really belongs at a place with lower expectations. We don't know and anyone who says they do is full of shite. This isn't a Hurts/Tua situation where Tua would come in and just sling dimes all over the field and it was obvious to everyone he had "it".
Posted on 9/2/24 at 2:24 pm to BasedCrimson
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He's probably the fastest QB I've ever seen, and I think the combine will confirm that. He's very likely a 4.3 guy
Oh please. He has a bit of straight line speed but that’s it. Get back with me after Wisconsin.
Posted on 9/2/24 at 2:25 pm to Robot Santa
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This isn't a Hurts/Tua situation where Tua would come in and just sling dimes all over the field and it was obvious to everyone he had "it".
I disagree. He’s not Tua, but I think he has “it.”
We’ll be in good hands next year I think.
Posted on 9/2/24 at 2:27 pm to UhOhOreo
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If we go up against Georgia and they don't run two spys, can we beat them with Milroe? If they get pressure with Proctor out, are we going to run in the backfield for a sack? If they take away the deep throws can we make the reads over the middle? Can we read disguised coverages and adjust the line for the backs?
If he can’t, rest assured this guy will be blaming the OC.
Posted on 9/2/24 at 2:28 pm to RollTide33
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defense. I'd say he's 1-2 so far in his career against playoff quality defenses. We'll see if he's made progress week 4.
His passing was a liability even with the win against UGA. He nearly lost it due to his inept passing.
Posted on 9/2/24 at 4:05 pm to TS1926
I’ve stayed out of it. But come on. Milroe is wicked fast.
Posted on 9/2/24 at 4:54 pm to CrimsonBoz
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Milroe is wicked fast.
He's fast for a QB, especially once he gets in the open. I don't think he's as fast as a lot of people think.
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