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re: You can thank Tennessee later
Posted on 2/5/24 at 12:00 pm to gypsy2091
Posted on 2/5/24 at 12:00 pm to gypsy2091
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Put your TN hate aside and realize schools cannot be held accountable for the actions of private organizations.
What’s the difference between a private person and a private organization? Because schools can be held accountable for what their boosters do.
Posted on 2/5/24 at 12:08 pm to gypsy2091
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Again, you people are clueless. Put your TN hate aside and realize schools cannot be held accountable for the actions of private organizations. There is no smoke here..no fire. Only NCAA trying to beat their big stick to show they are relevant.
Since when? And when did it change and what is the language / maybe a link. It seems like it would be easy to google and get that answer. If there is such an answer UT is simply being unfairly targeted. I don't think there is. This is what I found in about 3 seconds:
"Boosters, referred to by the NCAA as “representatives of the institution’s athletic interests,” include anyone who has:
Provided a donation in order to obtain season tickets for any sport at the university.
Participated in or has been a member of an organization promoting the university’s athletics programs.
Made financial contributions to the athletic department or to a university booster organization.
Arranged for or provided employment for enrolled student-athletes.
Assisted or has been requested by university staff to assist in the recruitment of prospective student-athletes.
Assisted in providing benefits to enrolled student athletes or their families.
Been involved otherwise in promoting university athletics.
Once an individual is identified as a “representative of the institution’s athletics interests,” the person retains that identity forever.
Only institutional staff members are permitted to recruit prospective student-athletes. Generally, NCAA rules prohibit anyone else from contacting (calling, writing or in-person contact) prospects or the prospect’s relatives or guardian for recruiting purposes.
Students are still considered prospects even if they have signed a National Letter of Intent or any other financial aid agreement with a university".
And then there is this little tidbit:
"As a booster, you may not:
Contact a prospect in-person on-campus or off campus.
Contact a prospect by telephone, email, Internet or letter.
Provide gifts or free or reduced-cost services to a prospect or the prospect’s relatives or guardian.
Employ relatives, guardians or friends of a prospect as an inducement for the prospect’s enrollment and athletics participation at a university.
Become directly or indirectly involved in making arrangements for a prospect or the prospect’s relatives or guardian to receive money or financial aid of any kind.
Provide transportation for a prospect or the prospect’s relatives or guardian.
Provide free or reduced-cost tickets for a prospect or the prospect’s relatives or guardian to attend an athletic event.
Provide any material benefit (e.g., meals, cash) to the coach of a prospect, including high school, two-year college, AAU and summer team coaches."
SO it seems like TN hate or not there are instances where the school can, has been and will be in the future held accountable for the actions of private organizations IF that organization is considered a booster as defined by the NCAA. NIL Collectives certainly provide employment for student athlets (booster) and boosters can not provide transportation to a prospect. Its actually cut and dried. This is why Tennessee is being so vehement in their denials...because they are facing some serious punishment IF the courts eventually say the NCAA can indeed regulate college athletics. Given that NCAA is voluntary and based on agreeing to be regulated and punished if found to be in violation its hard to imagine a scenario where Tennessee can claim they are not subject to such regulation...they agreed to it and have done so for years.
Posted on 2/5/24 at 12:19 pm to AwgustaDawg
And in ENTERS the Supreme Court ruling and the anti trust case. What the hell power does the NCAA have to violate law and restrict the $$ of these players. Gotcha! Thanks for clarifying my point.
Posted on 2/5/24 at 12:23 pm to AwgustaDawg
Remind me again how players from the hood afford to fly to and visit many college campuses?
Posted on 2/5/24 at 12:42 pm to djsdawg
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What’s the difference between a private person and a private organization?
An NIL brokerage is not a booster. Because the NIL brokerage should not be owned, operated, or directly affiliated with the school.
Do you consider NIKE to be a booster for Oregon? They are obviously tied to Oregon, provide tons of resources and merchandise to Oregon, are the reason Oregon is competitive in sports in general.
Posted on 2/5/24 at 12:50 pm to Smokeyone
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An NIL brokerage is not a booster. Because the NIL brokerage should not be owned, operated, or directly affiliated with the school.
Someone has to run the NIL collective. Doesn’t have to be a booster, but Spyre appears to be run by vol boosters.
Posted on 2/5/24 at 12:51 pm to gypsy2091
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NCAA have to violate law and restrict the $$ of these players.
How are they restricting payment from NIL?
Posted on 2/5/24 at 12:56 pm to AwgustaDawg
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Contact a prospect in-person on-campus or off campus. Contact a prospect by telephone, email, Internet or letter. Provide gifts or free or reduced-cost services to a prospect or the prospect’s relatives or guardian. Employ relatives, guardians or friends of a prospect as an inducement for the prospect’s enrollment and athletics participation at a university. Become directly or indirectly involved in making arrangements for a prospect or the prospect’s relatives or guardian to receive money or financial aid of any kind. Provide transportation for a prospect or the prospect’s relatives or guardian. Provide free or reduced-cost tickets for a prospect or the prospect’s relatives or guardian to attend an athletic event. Provide any material benefit (e.g., meals, cash) to the coach of a prospect, including high school, two-year college, AAU and summer team coaches."
As it relates to attending a specific college or university. You left that out. And non of that happened in regards to NIL deals to attend the university of Tennessee.
Don’t confuse a business trip or a business relationship with recruitment to a university.
Here is the actual guidance from the NCAA on NILs
Schools, Conferences, and Associations cannot limit a student-athlete’s ability to be compensated for their NIL
Student-athletes can receive professional representation if they are a registered agent in the state
Participation in NIL-related activities shall not impact a student-athlete’s athletic or scholarship eligibility
NIL agreements cannot be in conflict with existing team contracts
Schools, Conferences, and Associations cannot compensate a student-athlete for their NIL
Schools may restrict student-athletes from participating in vice industries
Where do you feel Spyre or Tennessee violated this guidance?
Posted on 2/5/24 at 12:58 pm to djsdawg
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Someone has to run the NIL collective. Doesn’t have to be a booster, but Spyre appears to be run by vol boosters.
You are confusing Booster with Fan now.
Posted on 2/5/24 at 12:59 pm to Smokeyone
Are you saying a group of vol boosters are not running spyre? They are just fans?
Posted on 2/5/24 at 1:01 pm to djsdawg
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Are you saying a group of vol boosters are not running spyre? They are just fans?
Are you saying every member of the upper management of Spyre is a booster? Do you know what constitutes being a booster?
Posted on 2/5/24 at 1:02 pm to djsdawg
Is NIKE a booster for Oregon?
Posted on 2/5/24 at 1:13 pm to Smokeyone
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Don’t confuse a business trip or a business relationship with recruitment to a university.
Again, What if a business trip was tied into a visit to the university? Did Nico visit with the coaching staff on that visit, or did he NOT?
Posted on 2/5/24 at 1:16 pm to Smokeyone
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NIKE a booster for Oregon?
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Are you saying every member of the upper management of Spyre is a booster? Do you know what constitutes being a booster?
You are gonna have to learn how to answer the question before asking a follow up.
Posted on 2/5/24 at 1:22 pm to bigDgator
Well bend over biatch, cause you're next!
Posted on 2/5/24 at 2:02 pm to djsdawg
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You are gonna have to learn how to answer the question before asking a follow up.
The 1st asked previously to answer and the second is seeking clarification. I’m just making sure we are on the same page and using the correct verbiage.
Posted on 2/5/24 at 2:03 pm to gypsy2091
They can rule a player ineligible for receiving impermissible benefits from individuals or private organizations. They can also penalize schools for players receiving impermissible benefits from private entities. This is well established and there are many, many examples of it.
The sanctions that crippled Alabama in the 90’s were the result of just such a situation. Ironically Alabama was turned in by Tennessee.
But I am sure Tennessee will be just fine now that the shoe is on the other foot.
The sanctions that crippled Alabama in the 90’s were the result of just such a situation. Ironically Alabama was turned in by Tennessee.
But I am sure Tennessee will be just fine now that the shoe is on the other foot.
Posted on 2/5/24 at 2:06 pm to Smokeyone
You are confusing clarification with obfuscation, which you are a master of, but maybe we can proceed now…..
Is spyre run by vol boosters? Or are they just fans?
Did Nico visit with the coaching staff on his spyre visit?
Is spyre run by vol boosters? Or are they just fans?
Did Nico visit with the coaching staff on his spyre visit?
Posted on 2/5/24 at 2:08 pm to djsdawg
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Again, What if a business trip was tied into a visit to the university? Did Nico visit with the coaching staff on that visit, or did he NOT?
Two separate questions. If Nico initiated a second quick side trip without input with the staff then it’s a non issue.
If Nico initiated a campus visit and stopped by the coaches offices or initiated an unofficial visit again no problem.
The folks at Spyre are aware of the limitations and we’re the line is, no reason to believe they blatantly crossed it. They have demonstrated that they play in the lighter side of the gray area
Posted on 2/5/24 at 2:11 pm to gypsy2091
Tennessee should stop paying players to play for their school.
There's literally one rule for NIL in the NCAA bylaws. Don't pay for players. Is it really that hard to follow one rule?
There's literally one rule for NIL in the NCAA bylaws. Don't pay for players. Is it really that hard to follow one rule?
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