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re: Who are your football program’s Top 5 winningest coaches?

Posted on 1/15/24 at 11:47 am to
Posted by JetDawg
Los Angeles/USC Trojans fan/alum
Member since Oct 2020
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Posted on 1/15/24 at 11:47 am to
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Let’s brag about them


No, let's don't.

Paul Bryant and Nick Saban were great HC's; however, they weren't very good at coaching bowl games.

Bryant was 15-14 at Alabama and Nick Saban was a little better at 16-7 in bowl games, 10-4 on NYSix Bowls, and only 3-3 in championship games.

Posted by OU Guy
Member since Feb 2022
9430 posts
Posted on 1/15/24 at 12:02 pm to
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No, let's don't.

Paul Bryant and Nick Saban were great HC's; however, they weren't very good at coaching bowl games.

Bryant was 15-14 at Alabama and Nick Saban was a little better at 16-7 in bowl games, 10-4 on NYSix Bowls, and only 3-3 in championship games.


Lets be real, bowl games are bigger competition plus teams have a month to gameplan and take away strengths.

I bet most top coaches had a worse bowl record than reg season record.
Posted by captdalton
Member since Feb 2021
8712 posts
Posted on 1/15/24 at 12:37 pm to
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Paul Bryant and Nick Saban were great HC's; however, they weren't very good at coaching bowl games.

Bryant was 15-14 at Alabama and Nick Saban was a little better at 16-7 in bowl games, 10-4 on NYSix Bowls, and only 3-3 in championship games.


What do you say we do Kirby Smart in SEC championship games next?
Posted by Legionfield
Alabama
Member since Nov 2009
2606 posts
Posted on 1/15/24 at 1:00 pm to
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however, they weren't very good at coaching bowl games.


Saban was really good in SEC title games…how’s Kirby’s record??
Posted by skrayper
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Posted on 1/15/24 at 1:16 pm to
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Bryant was 15-14 at Alabama and Nick Saban was a little better at 16-7 in bowl games


I'm not sure I trust your ability to do basic math if you think 16-7 is "a little better" than 15-14 (and Bryant was 15-12-2, not 15-14).

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Nick Saban were great HC's; however, they weren't very good at coaching bowl games.


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16-7 in bowl games, 10-4 on NYSix Bowls, and only 3-3 in championship games.


Your numbers seem to imply that Saban was, in fact, REALLY good in bowl games.

I also note that you are only including the playoff championship games; Saban was in fact 6-3 in title games (7-3 if you include his NC season at LSU).

Saban was 12-4 in bowl games (including CFP title games) since the playoff era started.

If your argument is that having a great record in bowl games trumps overall record, then these two tied for #2 must be AMAZING, GOAT coaches:

Jimbo Fisher
Tom O'Brien
Posted by OldPete
Georgia
Member since Oct 2013
2804 posts
Posted on 1/15/24 at 2:41 pm to
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…and only 3-3 in championship games.

Uh, think you forgot the four BCS championship games he won? That’d make him 7-3 in national championship games (6-3 at Bama). He was also 11-1 in SEC Championship games (9-1 at Bama), not to mention, 5-1 head-to-head vs Kirby…
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