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re: Lawyer's Perspective: Georgia is Objectively a Top Four Team

Posted on 12/7/23 at 11:46 am to
Posted by Jebadeb
Member since Oct 2017
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Posted on 12/7/23 at 11:46 am to
I'm a lawyer, too. Let's see how this works out:

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Georgia, the back-to-back national champion and victor of 29 straight games, lost by a clunked field goal to the greatest dynasty in NCAAFB history, the 12-1 Alabama Crimson Tide


Historical statistics should not be taken into account for this year's rankings.

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Naturally, this #1 team cannot remain #1 as it lost to (now) another 12-1 team that enjoys the head-to-head victory. So, how far does Georgia fall?

Certainly, Georgia cannot fall behind Michigan. A team moves up in the rankings due to superior wins.


Incorrect. A team may move up simply because a team ahead of it has lost a game.

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Here, Michigan beat an Iowa team that almost lost to Nebraska, Illinois, and Northwestern (and indeed did lose to Minnesota) in the past month. The B10 is so weak that the only opponent it can produce to face Michigan is Iowa in its own championship game.



Cherry-picking facts. Michigan has a win over Ohio State which is better than any win of UGA. Also, a win a against Penn State.

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But does the B10 not enjoy some deference as a conference? Well, lets analyze its playoff record. Michigan was bludgeoned by Georgia by more than four touchdowns in 2021. It then lost to a TCU team that was bludgeoned by more than four touchdowns by – alas – Georgia in 2022. Why should Michigan enjoy a third straight playoff birth when their defeat by several touchdowns at the hands of another Georgia team would be virtually inevitable? The only other competitor in the B10 is Ohio State who, since 2007, has provided itself utterly incapable of defeating SEC teams in the BCS / playoffs – from Florida (twice), to LSU, to Alabama, to Georgia.



Past seasons don't matter.


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Georgia likewise cannot fall behind Washington. The PAC 12 is such a weak conference that it has voluntarily committed self-extinction. No conference that will cease to exist in a matter of weeks should be shown any deference when its undefeated “champion” (besting a team lead by a quarterback that decamped from the SEC to the P12 precisely due to the latter’s utter lack of defense) is compared to an 12-1 back-to-back national champion


Irrelevant.

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Should Liberty be in the playoffs, as they are likewise 13-0? Why not? The answer is not they should be excluded because they do not play in a “Power Five” conference – the title, “Power 5,” is simply a buzz phrase used to distinguish generally superior versus generally inferior groups of conferences.


Strawman argument.

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In this case, those groupings are irrelevant. We can compare the SEC to the P12 in the same way that we can compare the P12 to Conference-USA. If we leave 13-0 Liberty out in favor of Washington due to each conference’s talent imbalance, then it logically follows that a 13-0 P12 team should not move up in the ranks at the expense of an 12-1 SEC team due to each conference's talent imbalance.


Conflates difference between G5 schedules and P5 schedules with difference between P12 and SEC. Also, conveniently leaves out that Washington beat Oregon twice, two wins better than any of Georgia.

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In order for Texas to advance in the rankings, it must achieve a quality win.


Again, incorrect. A team may rise just because a team ahead of it lost.

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Certainly, for the #1 team to fall behind the #7 team, that #7 team must achieve something other than watching the #1 team lose by a mere field goal to the greatest dynasty in NCAAFB history. What did Texas achieve? It defeated an Oklahoma State team that lost to UCF by a score of 45-3 at home, lost to South Alabama by a score of 33-7 at home, and lost to Iowa State. The fact that this was a “championship” game does not play to Texas’ favor – if Oklahoma State is the best that the B12 can muster, then a win in the championship game is virtually meaningless. In other words, Texas’ victory over a team that was drubbed by both UCF and South Alabama is not deserving of a multi-rank advancement above the #1 team that lost by a field goal to 12-1 Alabama.



Ignores the critical fact that Texas beat Bama head to head. It logically follows that Texas should be ahead of Bama, and Bama should be ahead of UGA.

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Finally, we assess Florida State. Again, the buzz phrase “Power Five” is rendered toothless when considering the objective and considerable talent disparity between the ACC and the rest of the conferences – especially in comparison to the SEC. One could just as easily label the ACC part of a “Group of Six.” Again, to argue that FSU deserves a playoff birth over an 12-1 SEC team simply for being in the ACC then compels the simultaneous belief that a 13-0 Liberty team should be awarded a playoff birth against one-loss teams in superior conferences. FSU cannot logically gain rank above Georgia for beating a Louisville team that, in the prior week, had lost to a middling 7-5 SEC team (Kentucky). The fact that FSU could barely beat a below average SEC team (Florida) the week prior further substantiates the ACC’s status as the weakest of the purported “Power Five” conferences. A win against Louisville (including a riveting 3-0 halftime score against a team that would objectively be 6-6 or worse in the SEC) does not merit a newfound rank advantage over the #1 team that just lost by a field goal against 12-1 Alabama.



See above. Also fails to mention that FSU beat two SEC teams and that ACC has the head-to-head over SEC this year.

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So how should the rankings have been determined? How many ranks can we punish the back-to-back national champion who - according to the esteemed intelligentsia - was the #1 team in the country for the entirety of the season? Can one clunked field goal against Alabama result in a FIVE rank drop for a team favored to "three peat"? Emotionally, you may answer "of course!" to spite Georgia. Logically, however, the answer is "no."

Clearly, Alabama moves up ahead of Georgia. The back-to-back national champion with 29 straight victories (who has been ranked #1 all season) cannot fall behind teams that – as previously evidenced – have won meaningless games rendered “important” because their inferior conferences have classified them as conference “championships.” A now 12-1 Georgia team must be backstopped, at worst, at #4. A field goal loss to 12-1 Alabama cannot logically result in a five rank drop.



Ignores regular season and fails to account for ranking Texas ahead of Bama.

Finally, this analysis is rife with bias, false assumptions, and conclusory allegations without supporting data.

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Posted by Radio One
Yoknapatawpha County
Member since Sep 2023
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Posted on 12/7/23 at 11:48 am to
Who else is a lawyer on the rant I can say that I am too
Posted by Litigator
Hog Jaw, Arkansas
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 12/7/23 at 11:53 am to
Posted by Tenn grad LSU fan
Wouldn't you like to know spazz
Member since Apr 2023
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Posted on 12/7/23 at 11:54 am to
He didn't even write his paralegal did
Posted by ClassicCityAlum
Palm Beach, FL
Member since Mar 2019
883 posts
Posted on 12/7/23 at 11:58 am to
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If you’re a lawyer, let me know what firm you work at so I know who not to call.


Unless you're playing in the M&A space, I don't think we'd ever cross paths. I'm sure there are more qualified lawyers to take your jail cell call after getting into a Xmas Eve scuffle with Uncle Rufus.
Posted by Tenn grad LSU fan
Wouldn't you like to know spazz
Member since Apr 2023
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Posted on 12/7/23 at 11:58 am to
Ok I will say it thank you alabama if it wasn't for you there would be no sec in playoffs thaks bama all I gotta say is sec sec sec sec sec sec sec sec sec sec sec sec sec
Posted by ClassicCityAlum
Palm Beach, FL
Member since Mar 2019
883 posts
Posted on 12/7/23 at 12:11 pm to
Ah, an LSU lawyer. Is this Mike Johnson?

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Historical statistics should not be taken into account for this year's rankings.


Yes, precedent helps predict the most competitive playoff teams. If that wasn’t the case, then the Power Five should receive little deference.

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Incorrect. A team may move up simply because a team ahead of it has lost a game.


That is false. You are only advanced in the rankings if (1) the losing team lost by either a wide margin or to a poorer team; or (2) the advancing team achieved a quality win. Case in point, if that was a regular season game, UGA would not have fallen five slots.

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Cherry-picking facts. Michigan has a win over Ohio State which is better than any win of UGA. Also, a win a against Penn State.


But they were ranked behind Georgia heading into championship weekend. If that win over OSU was impressive enough to rank them #1, then they should’ve achieved that ranking prior to beating an Iowa team that would likely be 6-6 in the SEC.

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Past seasons don't matter.


See above.

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Irrelevant.



The fact that an inferior Washington team should not advance in ranks at the expense of a superior Georgia team is at least somewhat relevant. I don’t think you’re too conversant with the definition of the word, “irrelevant.”

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Strawman argument.


Do they not teach logical reasoning in ol’ Louisiana? A strawman is used to erect a poor and irrelevant argument in order to distract from the pith of the matter. I drew a highly relevant and apropos analogy that proves my point. Liberty would not be admitted over FSU or Washington for the same reason that FSU or Washington should not be admitted over Georgia. People bemoan FSU’s exclusion because they play in the “Power 5.” I dispelled your semantical argument by showing that relative conference strength is more important than semantically driven group conference categories.

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Again, incorrect. A team may rise just because a team ahead of it lost.


They "may" indeed, but only if the losing higher ranked team’s defeat and the lower ranked team’s victory merited a change in ranks. A 3-point loss from Alabama and a win over a South Alabama / UCF defeated OK State team does not logically result in a five ranking flip.

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Ignores the critical fact that Texas beat Bama head to head. It logically follows that Texas should be ahead of Bama, and Bama should be ahead of UGA.


That is literally how I ranked the teams at the end of the post. Keep up.

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See above. Also fails to mention that FSU beat two SEC teams and that ACC has the head-to-head over SEC this year.


FSU has a victory over a mediocre LSU and a losing Florida team, which they barely beat. Which ACC teams and which SEC teams? The juggernauts of each conference, or the bottom dwellers? Are you actually suggesting that Georgia or Alabama would have suffered a loss to any ACC team this year? Since Georgia’s only loss came to Alabama, answering that question is the only relevance of an SEC to ACC comparison. The fact that Syracuse may have beaten Vanderbilt is slightly irrelevant to determining the strength of the SEC vs. the ACC regarding playoff positioning.

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Finally, this analysis is rife with bias, false assumptions, and conclusory allegations without supporting data.


Given that I just defeated every one of your counterarguments, I’d reevaluate your position.



You may be a lawyer as well, but I'm guessing we play on different fields.

This post was edited on 12/7/23 at 12:14 pm
Posted by DeafJam73
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
18507 posts
Posted on 12/7/23 at 12:11 pm to
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I'm sure there are more qualified lawyers to take your jail cell call after getting into a Xmas Eve scuffle with Uncle Rufus.


You’re right. I wouldn’t want to get in bed with a cut throat corporate lawyer, anyway.
Posted by VFL1800FPD
Nashville, TN
Member since Aug 2012
9059 posts
Posted on 12/7/23 at 12:14 pm to
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That'd be my guess.


Are we even sure he'd been admitted to school yet? Probably got a big head studying for the LSAT
Posted by ClassicCityAlum
Palm Beach, FL
Member since Mar 2019
883 posts
Posted on 12/7/23 at 12:15 pm to
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Ok I will say it thank you alabama if it wasn't for you there would be no sec in playoffs thaks bama all I gotta say is sec sec sec sec sec sec sec sec sec sec sec sec sec


I'm also rooting for the SEC. I'll always root for the SEC against any non-SEC opponent.
Posted by Radio One
Yoknapatawpha County
Member since Sep 2023
1816 posts
Posted on 12/7/23 at 12:15 pm to
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Litigator

I’m far more likely to believe you since you didnt raise the issue apropos of JACK shite
Posted by Cheese Grits
Wherever I lay my hat is my home
Member since Apr 2012
54792 posts
Posted on 12/7/23 at 12:16 pm to
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Lawyer's Perspective: Georgia is Objectively a Top Four Team


I think this is the perspective of folks who played or actually follow college football

Teams that deserved consideration for a CFP spot

Georgia
Alabama
Texas
Florida State
Washington

The issue is not that Georgia was not in the hunt, the issue is why Michigan (who played a laughable schedule) got the #1 spot
Posted by Cheese Grits
Wherever I lay my hat is my home
Member since Apr 2012
54792 posts
Posted on 12/7/23 at 12:19 pm to
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ClassicCityAlum


Instead of the wall of text (an I did read it), this is all you needed to post


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But does the B10 not enjoy some deference as a conference? Well, let's analyze its playoff record. Michigan was bludgeoned by Georgia by more than four touchdowns in 2021. It then lost to a TCU team that was bludgeoned by more than four touchdowns by – alas – Georgia in 2022. Why should Michigan enjoy a third straight playoff birth when their defeat by several touchdowns at the hands of another Georgia team would be virtually inevitable? The only other competitor in the B10 is Ohio State who, since 2007, has provided itself utterly incapable of defeating SEC teams in the BCS / playoffs – from Florida (twice), to LSU, to Alabama, to Georgia.


The problem was not excluding Georgia but rather including Michigan
Posted by ClassicCityAlum
Palm Beach, FL
Member since Mar 2019
883 posts
Posted on 12/7/23 at 12:19 pm to
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Are we even sure he'd been admitted to school yet? Probably got a big head studying for the LSAT


Well, the responses to my post explain why I haven't flirted with the Rant for some time.

This was formerly a board of erudite and well informed fans debating germane topics with some sophistication.

Now many of you are personally affronted when a lawyer from PB offers a coherent argument and then fields your counterarguments so that we may enjoy a proper debate.

I'm not sure why someone being a lawyer should be so shocking or seemingly inimical to your own self-esteem. It's simply a job, like any other. The more you obsess over it, the more your own insecurity in evinced.

There are greater life accomplishments than being a fricking lawyer, believe me. Don't be so offended.

If it's any consolation, I spend much of my day taking shite from people who are younger than me and making more money.
This post was edited on 12/7/23 at 12:22 pm
Posted by Cheese Grits
Wherever I lay my hat is my home
Member since Apr 2012
54792 posts
Posted on 12/7/23 at 12:24 pm to
If your OP is not a troll, try again.

This time just focus on Michigan and link this OP if you need to. LINK

tRant is not filled with readers, it is full of folks who think 2 sentences is too much reading.

HTH



Posted by ClassicCityAlum
Palm Beach, FL
Member since Mar 2019
883 posts
Posted on 12/7/23 at 12:27 pm to
I'm now signing off for another year. Three hours of misspent time on tRant is enough for the next twelve months.

If you respond, I won't know.

Good luck Alabama, put those B10 / P12 / B12 mongrels in their place.

If Georgia somehow loses to FSU, I'll actually come back early to eat my words on tRant. I admit when I'm wrong, I'm not Serraneaux (or whatever he called himself).
Posted by PeleofAnalytics
Member since Jun 2021
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Posted on 12/7/23 at 12:29 pm to
Posted by SquarePizzaRebel
Atlanta, GA
Member since Nov 2013
2369 posts
Posted on 12/7/23 at 12:38 pm to
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It is a post on a website. If you have no actual critique, I'll assume you agree with everything posted and have no counterarguments. I know its unusual to read more than three lines of a Tweet in modern day society, but a few paragraphs is hardly much "reading."


A post or an essay? A few or a dozen?
Posted by teamjackson
Headspace, LLC
Member since Nov 2012
4616 posts
Posted on 12/7/23 at 12:39 pm to
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I'm now signing off for another year. Three hours of misspent time on tRant is enough for the next twelve months.

If you respond, I won't know.


Lmao hokay (he's still logged in btw)

Bye
Posted by SquarePizzaRebel
Atlanta, GA
Member since Nov 2013
2369 posts
Posted on 12/7/23 at 12:40 pm to
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If you respond, I won't know.



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