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re: Sticking with Pittman is unacceptable
Posted on 11/20/23 at 2:56 pm to Fletch1985
Posted on 11/20/23 at 2:56 pm to Fletch1985
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Arkansas can compete at a strong level, but they just get in their own way.
They may get in their own way, but no, Arkansas cannot compete at a strong level. Not in this newer version of the SEC.
Since Texas A&M and Missouri joined the SEC in 2012, only Vanderbilt has a worse SEC record. Arkansas is 24-73 for a .247 winning % in SEC play since 2012. A&M and Missouri joining took away their ability to get kids in those states that wanted to play in the SEC.
With Oklahoma & Texas joining next year, Arkansas literally has no recruiting base to be able to compete in this league.
Can they play teams tough and pull the occasional upset? Sure. But, they are not going to be able to be able to compete at a strong level no matter who the coach is with their extremely weak recruiting base.
This post was edited on 11/20/23 at 2:57 pm
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Posted on 11/20/23 at 3:04 pm to Tammany Tom
Pretty sure Arky isn't hoping for the 60s to come back, their fans just want relevancy and something to root for.
Playing Texas every year will help that.
Playing Texas every year will help that.
Posted on 11/20/23 at 4:44 pm to Tammany Tom
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Since Texas A&M and Missouri joined the SEC in 2012, only Vanderbilt has a worse SEC record. Arkansas is 24-73 for a .247 winning % in SEC play since 2012. A&M and Missouri joining took away their ability to get kids in those states that wanted to play in the SEC
They've had horrendous coaches since 2012. Literally every one of them. No team in this league would be successful with the coaches they had/have.
Posted on 11/20/23 at 4:52 pm to Tammany Tom
We can agree that Arkansas has a small recruiting base compared with the competition.
But it doesn't explain some really bad losses since the Petrino firing.
2012 ULM
2013 Rutgers
2015 Toledo
2018 Colorado State and North Texas
2019 San Jose State and Western Kentucky
2022 Liberty
2023 BYU
Just for a moment, forget about Arkansas competing in the SEC and focus on who they should beat. Did Arkansas losing to these teams listed above have superior recruiting bases than Arkansas?
If we look at the recruiting rankings then the answer would be no.
So looking the coaches of that time.
John L.
Bert
Chad
After leaving Arkansas with a 4-8 record which Arkansas began the season ranked in the top 10, John L. was 14-19 at Fort Lewis. He was 7-24 at Kentucky State.
So he would be in the category of a terrible coach who isn't coaching right now. He was more worried about his $800,000 check than his job.
Bert was 29-34 at Arkansas. After he left Arkansas, he is currently 18-18 at Illinois. That maybe considered good at Illinois but from an outside perspective, it isn't good. So far in his third year as coach at Illinois, he has lost nine one possession games. The same problems he had at Arkansas and to an extent at Wisconsin.
He isn't good, horrible or terrible but in the category of a bad coach.
Chad was 4-20 at Arkansas. After he left Arkansas, he eventually went back to the high school ranks at Allen, Texas. He was forced out and is now an offensive analyst at Clemson.
He isn't good, bad or terrible but just a horrible coach who is the worst coach in SEC history.
So it can't all just be talent but most of it was just bad to horrible coaching that is the cause for problems at Arkansas.
But it doesn't explain some really bad losses since the Petrino firing.
2012 ULM
2013 Rutgers
2015 Toledo
2018 Colorado State and North Texas
2019 San Jose State and Western Kentucky
2022 Liberty
2023 BYU
Just for a moment, forget about Arkansas competing in the SEC and focus on who they should beat. Did Arkansas losing to these teams listed above have superior recruiting bases than Arkansas?
If we look at the recruiting rankings then the answer would be no.
So looking the coaches of that time.
John L.
Bert
Chad
After leaving Arkansas with a 4-8 record which Arkansas began the season ranked in the top 10, John L. was 14-19 at Fort Lewis. He was 7-24 at Kentucky State.
So he would be in the category of a terrible coach who isn't coaching right now. He was more worried about his $800,000 check than his job.
Bert was 29-34 at Arkansas. After he left Arkansas, he is currently 18-18 at Illinois. That maybe considered good at Illinois but from an outside perspective, it isn't good. So far in his third year as coach at Illinois, he has lost nine one possession games. The same problems he had at Arkansas and to an extent at Wisconsin.
He isn't good, horrible or terrible but in the category of a bad coach.
Chad was 4-20 at Arkansas. After he left Arkansas, he eventually went back to the high school ranks at Allen, Texas. He was forced out and is now an offensive analyst at Clemson.
He isn't good, bad or terrible but just a horrible coach who is the worst coach in SEC history.
So it can't all just be talent but most of it was just bad to horrible coaching that is the cause for problems at Arkansas.
Posted on 11/20/23 at 5:41 pm to Tammany Tom
Disagree. They can compete. With a consistent and creative offensive philosophy and good use of the portal, 7-9 win seasons can be the norm. Will never be Bama or the like, but that’s not the expectation.
Posted on 11/20/23 at 6:32 pm to Tammany Tom
This gentleman gets it completely. They have no base, and no high school feeder system providing top notch athletes. It is a problem that can be fixed on the high school level, but that aspect alone will take a decade. Anything is doable.
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