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Possible Fixes for NIL Craziness.
Posted on 12/14/22 at 5:23 pm
Posted on 12/14/22 at 5:23 pm
First let me caveat by saying I am not anti-NIL. It wasn't fair that kids couldn't make ANY money before but now we've swung the other extreme. The NIL world seems like the wild wild west right now with no rules/regulations and we are seeing one crazy example after another of kids essentially going to the highest bidder. Long term this is not good for college football.
The NCAA has to do something to get this under control. Allow it but regulate it.
Here are some ideas:
1. Any player getting NIL money past a certain amount does not get tax payer funded scholarships. That's BS. Why am I subsidizing your college education when you are making millions?
2. Players getting NIL can be traded mid season - just like in the pros.
3. Teams need to have an NIL "salary cap." Don't know what that number is but there needs to be a cap. For those who say it's anti free market. . .NFL has salary caps to protect the teams and owners. We need NIL caps to protect schools and boosters
4. The ORIGINAL intent of NIL was to allow players to make $$ from their name, image and likeness. Let's stick to it. NIL money can only be paid by entities/companies who are actually using/benefitting from the player's NIL. Not by boosters or collectives who just pony up $$ and pay the student for attending their school.
5. No NIL for freshmen. Or very strict limits for freshmen and incoming recruits. Similar to an NFL rookie contract. . .you get the minimum amount and have to prove yourself first before you can get more.
I'm sure there are some smart legal minds out there. . . what say you?
The NCAA has to do something to get this under control. Allow it but regulate it.
Here are some ideas:
1. Any player getting NIL money past a certain amount does not get tax payer funded scholarships. That's BS. Why am I subsidizing your college education when you are making millions?
2. Players getting NIL can be traded mid season - just like in the pros.
3. Teams need to have an NIL "salary cap." Don't know what that number is but there needs to be a cap. For those who say it's anti free market. . .NFL has salary caps to protect the teams and owners. We need NIL caps to protect schools and boosters
4. The ORIGINAL intent of NIL was to allow players to make $$ from their name, image and likeness. Let's stick to it. NIL money can only be paid by entities/companies who are actually using/benefitting from the player's NIL. Not by boosters or collectives who just pony up $$ and pay the student for attending their school.
5. No NIL for freshmen. Or very strict limits for freshmen and incoming recruits. Similar to an NFL rookie contract. . .you get the minimum amount and have to prove yourself first before you can get more.
I'm sure there are some smart legal minds out there. . . what say you?
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Posted on 12/14/22 at 5:27 pm to TigerFan244
NIL is out of control and I’d be happy if it went away
Posted on 12/14/22 at 5:28 pm to TigerFan244
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one crazy example after another of kids essentially going to the highest bidder
Why is that ‘crazy’? Seems perfectly predictable given human behavior.
Perhaps a better adjective is appropriate?
Posted on 12/14/22 at 5:29 pm to TigerFan244
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tax payer funded scholarships
What is your definition of a tax payer funded scholarship?
I don't think I like any of your ideas.
Posted on 12/14/22 at 5:30 pm to TigerFan244
I think you could do caps on what school/fan collectives can offer, but I don’t think that’d apply to say BYoung getting a spot on a Dr Pepper commercial.
Posted on 12/14/22 at 5:30 pm to TigerFan244
There will need to be an NCAA Players Union to steer these innocent lads through the valley of NIL madness.
I'd say appoint an honest, experienced professional as Union President.
The name Jimmy Sexton comes to mind.
I'd say appoint an honest, experienced professional as Union President.
The name Jimmy Sexton comes to mind.
Posted on 12/14/22 at 5:38 pm to ukraine_rebel
I don’t see where anyone buys a Dr. Pepper because Bryce Young is in a commercial. I’m not influenced by whomever is in an ad. 
Posted on 12/14/22 at 5:55 pm to ukraine_rebel
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BYoung getting a spot on a Dr Pepper commercial.
Bryce Young getting a dr. Pepper commercial bc he is one of the top players in CFB/heisman winner…more power to him. He earned that. No different than Livvy dunne making money from social media, Clothing companies etc. This is the definition of NIL. The difference is schools simply paying recruits to attend before they’ve ever played a snap.
Posted on 12/14/22 at 5:56 pm to TigerFan244
1. I don't think you could enforce this against private schools. IMO we shouldn't subsidize any scholarships/student loans outside of STEM or closely related degrees.
2. The player would have to be under contract with the school. I think that is the right answer to fix everything, allow schools to enter into a contract with players.
3. You couldn't control that. It's not the school paying the player, it is outside organizations.
For example, Bryce Young has a deal.with Dr Pepper, Alabama can't tell them how much Bryce can make.
4. There are loop holes for days with this. Once that box was opened, there's no going back.
5. Again, NIL is between an outside organization and the student/player. The school has no authority to limit what the player can make and they shouldn't.
2. The player would have to be under contract with the school. I think that is the right answer to fix everything, allow schools to enter into a contract with players.
3. You couldn't control that. It's not the school paying the player, it is outside organizations.
For example, Bryce Young has a deal.with Dr Pepper, Alabama can't tell them how much Bryce can make.
4. There are loop holes for days with this. Once that box was opened, there's no going back.
5. Again, NIL is between an outside organization and the student/player. The school has no authority to limit what the player can make and they shouldn't.
Posted on 12/14/22 at 5:58 pm to TigerFan244
How bout no. Schools like making big TV deals. They just don't want to share.
Posted on 12/14/22 at 6:05 pm to TizzyT4theUofA
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Again, NIL is between an outside organization and the student/player. The school has no authority to limit what the player can make and they shouldn't.
Allowing schools to contract with players (#2) doesn't change this point (#5).
There is no fix for NIL.
Force the redshirt on undergrad transfers, and there will be somewhat a return to normalcy.
Posted on 12/14/22 at 6:11 pm to TigerFan244
For those wanting to fix NIL, college football is about to enter into a "playoff" system where the participants of a conference title game may have to play 17 games to win a title.
In this scenario, how can you fault the players for wanting to get paid?
In this scenario, how can you fault the players for wanting to get paid?
Posted on 12/14/22 at 6:16 pm to meansonny
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Allowing schools to contract with players (#2) doesn't change this point (#5)
It will not keep schools from bidding on players but it will keep kids from freely transferring which will lock up a scholarship. The only way to free up that scholarship is to pay a penalty to the kid and if the kid wants to transfer the have to pay the buy out.
I don't see NIL or kids getting the most they can out of a school as a problem. They should try to get every penny they can.
The market will work itself out. Boosters arent going to keep paying 52 mil for a recruiting class and get results like Texas A&M did. They aren't like NFL owners and getting money back unless they truly are using them for their name image and likeness.
Posted on 12/14/22 at 6:17 pm to TigerFan244
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we are seeing one crazy example after another of kids essentially going to the highest bidder
The primary difference between now and the last 50+ years. NIL reminds me of those "you won" campaigns some police forces have used to get a bunch of idiots with warrants all to come to them.
Posted on 12/14/22 at 6:18 pm to Senator Mendoza
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how can you fault the players for wanting to get paid?
Not faulting players for getting paid. The good ones deserve everything they get. similar to the Bryce Young example. . . to my knowledge BY wasn't paid NIL $$ to come to Bama. . .but as a result of his performance he has garnered sponsorships and deals from outside organizations . . more power to him. The issue is with NIL becoming the bargaining platform for getting recruits. . . who have not paid a single snap of college football. THere needs to be limits there.
Posted on 12/14/22 at 6:20 pm to TizzyT4theUofA
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but it will keep kids from freely transferring which will lock up a scholarship.
It won't do that either.
I sign a contract with my employer every year.
Comp plan and non-compete.
But they can fire me. And I can quit and go to a competitor.
Noncompetes cannot prevent someone from making a living. Courts won't uphold that.
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The market will work itself out. Boosters arent going to keep paying 52 mil for a recruiting class and get results like Texas A&M did.
The market is going to realize that true freshman are not a great investment.
Posted on 12/14/22 at 6:27 pm to TizzyT4theUofA
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It will not keep schools from bidding on players
This is EXACTLY the reason why NIL needs regulations. NIL was not set up to make schools "bid" on recruits. If an athlete earns a scholarship to a school and performs so well that people, companies, organizations are willing to pay him/her for his NIL - great. The issue is that NIL is very quickly morphing into a bidding system for college athletes. Schools are begging their alumni and boosters for more funds to set up "collectives" - which are not paying athletes for their NIL, they are inducing them to attend their school. Period.
Posted on 12/14/22 at 6:29 pm to TigerFan244
1. Scholarships are not tax payer funded
2.No
3.Yes
4.Yes
5.Yes
2.No
3.Yes
4.Yes
5.Yes
Posted on 12/14/22 at 6:31 pm to TigerFan244
None of it works until the students have representation and agree to restrictions. I suspect sooner or later the NFLPU will agree to represent these kids and some sort of negotiation will take place.
Posted on 12/14/22 at 6:32 pm to TigerFan244
n the end it should be rules in place like a player can not make NIL deals until after year 1 or year 2 if they red shirt. That would eliminate HS recruits being offered NIL to sign.
Next a player can not transfer until after 2 years at a program. No different than a player going to JUCO and back. In regards to NIL they can not set up another NIL deal at the new program until they been there for 1 year. That would prevent tampering. It would also prevent players jumping in the portal to test the waters for NIL deals.
Also only allow a player to transfer once without penalty after that sit out a year.
I am not sure if their is a cap outside of the 85 max rule but I would maybe limit the number of transfers a school can add each year. That would limit the number of opportunities for players looking at the portal.
I would go a step farther as well for NIL if allowed. NIL contracts need to made through a pre-approved agent like I believe the NFL requires. And all NIL money is put into a trust until 4 years removed from HS, unless entering the draft. That way they have money when they leave and it will not be a distraction while in.
Yes I understand these things can not legally happen and will be interested going forward how the courts rule. And yes I understand to some who do not, that SCOTUS has yet to rule on NIL. So we do not know where or how this will all end up. The only thing we know is that the game as we know it will no longer be the same.
Next a player can not transfer until after 2 years at a program. No different than a player going to JUCO and back. In regards to NIL they can not set up another NIL deal at the new program until they been there for 1 year. That would prevent tampering. It would also prevent players jumping in the portal to test the waters for NIL deals.
Also only allow a player to transfer once without penalty after that sit out a year.
I am not sure if their is a cap outside of the 85 max rule but I would maybe limit the number of transfers a school can add each year. That would limit the number of opportunities for players looking at the portal.
I would go a step farther as well for NIL if allowed. NIL contracts need to made through a pre-approved agent like I believe the NFL requires. And all NIL money is put into a trust until 4 years removed from HS, unless entering the draft. That way they have money when they leave and it will not be a distraction while in.
Yes I understand these things can not legally happen and will be interested going forward how the courts rule. And yes I understand to some who do not, that SCOTUS has yet to rule on NIL. So we do not know where or how this will all end up. The only thing we know is that the game as we know it will no longer be the same.
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