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Posted on 12/1/22 at 11:15 am
Posted by Jefferson Dawg
Member since Sep 2012
34145 posts
Posted on 12/1/22 at 11:15 am
As everyone squeaks and squeals with glee over the now confirmed 12-team playoff, check out this gem buried in the fine print:

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the calendar will change for the new CFP contract beginning in 2026; if the whole season moves up to what is now referred to as Week 0, that alleviates some of the stress on the back-end of postseason scheduling.


-are you ready for your “fall” college football season to start on August 23rd?

-this, of course, means every game will be bumped up a week also

-so, are you ready for labor day weekend to lose all of the opening season matchups spread over the opening holiday weekend?

-are you ready for conference championship weekend like we are in now to be played on Thanksgiving weekend instead?

-will you miss the egg bowl on T-giving night, the games all day Friday on your day off, and the tradition of rivalry weekend being on that holiday week?

-are you excited about having no college football on the first weekend of december?
Posted by WG_Dawg
Member since Jun 2004
89430 posts
Posted on 12/1/22 at 11:20 am to
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As everyone squeaks and squeals with glee over the now confirmed 12-team playoff


Not everyone, I despise it. I'm sure dawgfan342825 will be along shortly to call me old and I'm behind the times but this is lousy for CFB.
Posted by Aguga
Member since Aug 2021
3638 posts
Posted on 12/1/22 at 11:54 am to
I think the 12 team playoff sucks
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora
Member since Sep 2012
72872 posts
Posted on 12/1/22 at 12:01 pm to
The whole thing is stupid as frick.

Other than Alabama and OhSt, who in the top 12 in today's ranking has any chance in hell of actually competing in a 3 or 4 round playoff with a 50/50 chance to win it all? It's a dog and pony show.

If they want to expand to 6 with a bye for the top 2 seeds, an argument could be made for that.

But with 12 teams, the same amount of drama is going to exist. #13-15 will be bitching about "We beat #9 in week two, why are we only at #13?" and so forth. It will actually amplify the bitching because more teams will be in a position to bitch. Then we'll go to 16 teams. On so on.
This post was edited on 12/1/22 at 12:48 pm
Posted by VoxDawg
Glory, Glory
Member since Sep 2012
74837 posts
Posted on 12/1/22 at 12:15 pm to
It's going to give also-rans like Tennessee bragging rights that their pitiful coach "made the CFP". It's horse shite.
Posted by Jefferson Dawg
Member since Sep 2012
34145 posts
Posted on 12/1/22 at 12:22 pm to
More fine print:

-Notre Dame is disqualified from ever recieving a 1st round bye under rules of the new playoff

-Bye week goes to the four highest ranked conference champs

-Even if ND is undefeated and ranked #1 all season long, they will play the 1st round while a possible 11-2 Tulane gets a bye
Posted by bigdawg7780
SC
Member since Oct 2013
2915 posts
Posted on 12/1/22 at 12:30 pm to
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-Notre Dame is disqualified from ever recieving a 1st round bye under rules of the new playoff


Guess they better join a league
Posted by WG_Dawg
Member since Jun 2004
89430 posts
Posted on 12/1/22 at 12:43 pm to
quote:

-Notre Dame is disqualified from ever recieving a 1st round bye under rules of the new playoff



no issue with that and honestly kind of shocked that they'll put the screws to them that way.

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-Bye week goes to the four highest ranked conference champs


don't like this. I'm by nature against any auto-anythings, because even though 90% of the time all will be well there's always that 10% of the time things can get fricky. You've got 5 power conferences...what happens when 3 of them are fine and let's say undfeated but you've got 2, let's pretend it's the PAc and the ACC, that have 2 or dare I say even 3 loss champions if there's a CCG upset? You could have a 1-loss non champion like a 2021 UGA or a 2022 OSU taking a back seat to a 3 loss UNC or something. That's stupid.

Posted by Jefferson Dawg
Member since Sep 2012
34145 posts
Posted on 12/1/22 at 12:43 pm to
More fine print:

-all a team like ND has to do in new format is go 10-2 and theyll be in every single year.

-so, it might actually be an advantage for ND not to be in a conference

-Meanwhile if 12 team playoff were in effect right now, there are easy scenarios where both 2 loss Clemson and 3 loss K State could earn 1st round bye weeks this weekend. And teams that went undefeated in regular season have to play. What a joke.
This post was edited on 12/1/22 at 12:46 pm
Posted by DirtyDawg
President of the East Cobb Snobs
Member since Aug 2013
15551 posts
Posted on 12/1/22 at 1:02 pm to
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Not everyone, I despise it. I'm sure dawgfan342825 will be along shortly to call me old and I'm behind the times but this is lousy for CFB.



There's rarely ever 3 teams that realistically have a shot at the title. This is just adding unnecessary steps to get to the same conclusion.


This year is a great example. Obviously we still have to go out and win it, but who the hell thinks TCU and USC belong in the same conversation as Georgia and Michigan? And I'm being kind to Michigan here, even though I believe Georgia can run them out of the building in LA.
Posted by WG_Dawg
Member since Jun 2004
89430 posts
Posted on 12/1/22 at 1:11 pm to
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There's rarely ever 3 teams that realistically have a shot at the title


definitely. 4 is perfect. If forced at gunpoint to expand 6 should be the absolute max.

quote:

This year is a great example. Obviously we still have to go out and win it, but who the hell thinks TCU and USC belong in the same conversation as Georgia and Michigan?


see I don't quite agree here. The committee has alwasy been, and I agree wholeheartedly, about your resume and if you deserve it (objective) not how "good" you are and the dreaded eye test (subjective). We are much much better than TCU I'm certain of that. However, they're in a P5 conference so if they go 13-0 then hell yearh they desreve the playoffs, why shouldn't they? They won't win, and they aren't one of the 3 or 4 "best teams" (I'm sure bama and a fully healthy tennessee would probably romp them) but again, you play the games to build your resume and you can't do any better than 13-0. So kudos to them.

But 12? There aren't gonna be any undefated P5 champs at 12. If after 12-13 games played you are only ranked 11th or 12th you have very obviously done somethign along the way to lose your shot.
Posted by DirtyDawg
President of the East Cobb Snobs
Member since Aug 2013
15551 posts
Posted on 12/1/22 at 1:22 pm to
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The committee has alwasy been, and I agree wholeheartedly, about your resume and if you deserve it (objective) not how "good" you are and the dreaded eye test (subjective).



Oh I agree that 4 is perfect, and I've never had a gripe with anyone the committee has put in. The 4 teams all earned their trip to the CFP, but usually you can map out exactly how the semis will go, and then the NCG is where the real test comes in for the 2 contenders.

The 4 team CFP cures all the issues that can arise from the crowded years the BCS had by giving more teams a chance, but I think the drop off between the Top 2/3 teams and teams 4-7 is rather large more often than not.
Posted by tylerdurden24
Member since Sep 2009
48437 posts
Posted on 12/1/22 at 2:19 pm to
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no issue with that and honestly kind of shocked that they'll put the screws to them that way.

It’s a concession ND was willing to make because 1. They’ll make the playoff more often than not under this new system and 2. They’d rather host a first round game on campus if at all possible (huge branding and fundraising opportunity for them)
Posted by Jefferson Dawg
Member since Sep 2012
34145 posts
Posted on 12/1/22 at 2:29 pm to
More fine print:

-I missed one of the most egregious ones

-If playoff we’re today, Tulane would be the 12th seed

-but Tulane is ranked #18

-So I guess the actual #12 ranked team by cfp committee is just shite out of luck?

-what a great system!
Posted by SquatchDawg
Cohutta Wilderness
Member since Sep 2012
18980 posts
Posted on 12/1/22 at 2:44 pm to
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August 23rd?


Talk about hot AF.
Posted by RealDawg
Dawgville
Member since Nov 2012
11135 posts
Posted on 12/1/22 at 2:45 pm to
They had no choice other than abandoning bowls. Kids opting out..fans not traveling..people not watching. They stood to lose a lot long term.
Posted by WG_Dawg
Member since Jun 2004
89430 posts
Posted on 12/1/22 at 2:52 pm to
why won't bowls still get abandoned?

-Pre-98 the bowls were enormous and meant the world
-During the BCS bowls were still a massive point of pride even if you weren't int he title game. Making the sugar bowl, orange bowl, etc were huge deals.
-Now during the playoffs all of a sudden no one cares about the bowls if you aren't int eh 4 team playoff. Shortly people will care even less about bowls if you aren't in the 12 team playoff


So waht changed? Society changed. Kids these days playing ball have grown up in an entitlted generation witha phone in their hand since birth with instant gratification. Putting your nose down and working hard and fulfilling a committment you made was too hard on them so they started allowing them to transfer wherever they want with no penalty. Apparantly going to class and being a "student athlete" is too much a burden too so now we've allowed open payments in the millions to teenagers that haven't palyed a down yet. And then we wonder why they "opt out" or don't give a shite about bowl games.
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora
Member since Sep 2012
72872 posts
Posted on 12/1/22 at 2:52 pm to
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They had no choice other than abandoning bowls. Kids opting out..fans not traveling..people not watching. They stood to lose a lot long term.



In a 12 team playoff with top 4 getting byes, that burns up 11 bowl games.

What about the other 25? Those are still going to be unattended, opted-out of, and shitty viewership.

And if they don't do bowls for the first round of the playoffs, and do home games for the higher seed, then that's even less bowl games getting consumed by the playoff, with even more unattended, opted-out of, and shitty viewership.

I just don't see how this 12-team playoff "saves" bowl games. If anything it further diminishes them.
This post was edited on 12/1/22 at 2:54 pm
Posted by Jefferson Dawg
Member since Sep 2012
34145 posts
Posted on 12/1/22 at 3:24 pm to
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They had no choice other than abandoning bowls. Kids opting out..fans not traveling..people not watching. They stood to lose a lot long term.

Disagree. The only reason why they expanded is because a 12 team playoff is worth an estimated $2 billion dollars. That’s two billion with a “b”. And about four times what the 4 team playoff is worth.

The other bowls are just fine btw. As long as a bowl can find a sponsor to pay USD to put their name on it, they’ll play them no matter if anyone is in the stands or not. Which I for one am thankful for. I’ve never understood the people who bitch about all the bowls or the state they’re in and want them to go away. If you don’t like them don’t watch. Personally I try to watch as many as possible . I love bowl season
Posted by Cheer
Member since Sep 2021
5275 posts
Posted on 12/1/22 at 3:29 pm to
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Notre Dame is disqualified from ever recieving a 1st round bye under rules of the new playoff



This will push ND into the ACC.
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