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A look at the most successful programs and who their HC pick was
Posted on 10/17/22 at 9:02 am
Posted on 10/17/22 at 9:02 am
1. Bama: they got Saban with no limits. He’s a legendary coach
2. Georgia: took Kirby- a relentless recruiter who studied success under Saban. He’s building an empire.
3. Clemson: took a chance on Dabo who played at Bama, understood Clemson’s culture and recruited to it. He went toe to toe with Saban for Nattie and won 2. Finding a coach like Dabo for us may be possible.
4. Ohio St: he’s immersed in the program for years. He’s kept it at a high level.
So how do we find the next Dabo, Ryan Day, or Kirby?
Who are the candidates that fit one of those models?
Do we look at Kirby’s staff? Saban’s staff? Where do we turn?
Recruiting is so much of success that whoever it is has to have elite recruiting skills. If you have top level talent, most schemes can win.
Who are the best recruiters at highly successful programs?
2. Georgia: took Kirby- a relentless recruiter who studied success under Saban. He’s building an empire.
3. Clemson: took a chance on Dabo who played at Bama, understood Clemson’s culture and recruited to it. He went toe to toe with Saban for Nattie and won 2. Finding a coach like Dabo for us may be possible.
4. Ohio St: he’s immersed in the program for years. He’s kept it at a high level.
So how do we find the next Dabo, Ryan Day, or Kirby?
Who are the candidates that fit one of those models?
Do we look at Kirby’s staff? Saban’s staff? Where do we turn?
Recruiting is so much of success that whoever it is has to have elite recruiting skills. If you have top level talent, most schemes can win.
Who are the best recruiters at highly successful programs?
This post was edited on 10/17/22 at 9:55 am
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Posted on 10/17/22 at 9:09 am to makersmark1
All of yall love some Kirby, but dude has made the playoffs twice and we gifted him the first one. Dude has basically had a free ride to the playoffs being in the east and can't consistently make it.
Posted on 10/17/22 at 9:19 am to AUCE05
quote:Yeah, he doesnt deserve any credit at all
All of yall love some Kirby, but dude has made the playoffs twice and we gifted him the first one. Dude has basically had a free ride to the playoffs being in the east and can't consistently make it.
Posted on 10/17/22 at 9:23 am to AuburnTigers
Let us swap positions with UGA or Clemson the past 10 years and see how different our outcomes are.
Posted on 10/17/22 at 9:23 am to makersmark1
I just don't know that there is a consensus take away there.
Saban came back to Bama with some of the most celebrity fanfare we'd seen in CFB at the time. Previous NC winner, NFL, going to rebuild a struggling program. Rhule is no Saban but he's probably the closest thing this cycle. Deion would be the only thing to get us the fanfare anything close to that, but there are no similarities otherwise.
The other three strike me as testaments to hiring the long time assistant who everything thinks has the makings of a good program leader. People will hate it, but right now the closest to that on our list is probably Grimes. There are hotter coordinator names, but I'm not sure there is a subtle, paid-his-dues, "everyone agrees he's going to be a good HC eventually" assistant out there.
Saban came back to Bama with some of the most celebrity fanfare we'd seen in CFB at the time. Previous NC winner, NFL, going to rebuild a struggling program. Rhule is no Saban but he's probably the closest thing this cycle. Deion would be the only thing to get us the fanfare anything close to that, but there are no similarities otherwise.
The other three strike me as testaments to hiring the long time assistant who everything thinks has the makings of a good program leader. People will hate it, but right now the closest to that on our list is probably Grimes. There are hotter coordinator names, but I'm not sure there is a subtle, paid-his-dues, "everyone agrees he's going to be a good HC eventually" assistant out there.
Posted on 10/17/22 at 9:26 am to AUCE05
I suppose you can criticize that UGA has only won it all once he took over in 2016 but UGA is in the hunt every single year and that’s what we should aspire to, IMO. They’re winning like 90% of their games after Kirby’s first season and they’re recruiting top 3 nationally basically every year. That’s a machine
Posted on 10/17/22 at 9:27 am to makersmark1
Rhule is the closest to any of those listed. He rebuilt and won at two programs.
Posted on 10/17/22 at 9:53 am to makersmark1
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most successful programs and who there HC pick was
It’s Monday morning so I’ll let it slide
Posted on 10/17/22 at 9:54 am to Rhino5
I think a better way to look at this is what has been successful at Auburn prior.
Our most successful coaches have had an understanding of how important "Family" culture to AU. To be a "blue collar" type team. Be incredibly familiar with the recruiting footprint of Alabama, Georgia, and Florida. Meaning most coaches have coached at Auburn Alabama or Georgia at some point as assistants. Really the only exception was Tuberville.
I'm not saying that should be a requirement at all but those have been our most successful coaches. The Bryan Harsin experience tells me you better know some folks from the area even if you have some of your staff from the area it isn't enough.
Our most successful coaches have had an understanding of how important "Family" culture to AU. To be a "blue collar" type team. Be incredibly familiar with the recruiting footprint of Alabama, Georgia, and Florida. Meaning most coaches have coached at Auburn Alabama or Georgia at some point as assistants. Really the only exception was Tuberville.
I'm not saying that should be a requirement at all but those have been our most successful coaches. The Bryan Harsin experience tells me you better know some folks from the area even if you have some of your staff from the area it isn't enough.
Posted on 10/17/22 at 9:56 am to AUCE05
Kirby is a great coach. Look at the discipline his defenses play with. It jumps off the screen. If he ever gets high level talent at QB the Death Star comes to mind.
Posted on 10/17/22 at 9:57 am to kung fu kenny
I edited “there” to “their”
Sorry, I made a mistake “your” good at catching the “dramatical eras”
Sorry, I made a mistake “your” good at catching the “dramatical eras”
Posted on 10/17/22 at 10:00 am to CorchJay
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Our most successful coaches have had an understanding of how important "Family" culture to AU.
So “culture” is key.
I think Dabo And Kirby reflect that trait.
Posted on 10/17/22 at 10:00 am to makersmark1
God I hope people don't look at my mistyped, spelling, or anything like that on here. I type mostly on an iphone and it changes everything you type it seems. So some of what I type out reads like a 2nd grader wrote it.
Posted on 10/17/22 at 10:01 am to CorchJay
quote:This is the reason I would prefer Garner over someone like Deion. I think he would provide similar results on the recruiting side without the 'sizzle not the steak' that PrimeTime would bring.
Our most successful coaches have had an understanding of how important "Family" culture to AU. To be a "blue collar" type team. Be incredibly familiar with the recruiting footprint of Alabama, Georgia, and Florida. Meaning most coaches have coached at Auburn Alabama or Georgia at some point as assistants. Really the only exception was Tuberville.
Yeah, you would get the inevitable "you paid $40 million to hire a 56*-year-old position coach" ridicule, but I think RG would field a competitive team for a few years and build the roster as well as anyone else we are considering.
He's not my first choice, but he's probably the closest to what we need right now to stabilize the program going forward.
*ETA: Thought ol' Rod was closer to my age - he's only 56
This post was edited on 10/17/22 at 10:05 am
Posted on 10/17/22 at 10:06 am to makersmark1
Yes I think culture is a big key to success at most schools.
Think of it similar to this. Mike Leach may or may not be a good coach. Even outside of his weirdness he wouldn't be a culture fit at all at AU.
When you think of Auburn football you think of hard nosed stingy defense with a power run game. If you can embrace that with a high scoring offense or a dynamic offense then you will be a big time culturally accepted coach. It isn't the end all be all but that's Auburn.
That and then every 3-4 years you need to be in contention for an SEC championship which puts you in contention for a NC as well.
Think of it similar to this. Mike Leach may or may not be a good coach. Even outside of his weirdness he wouldn't be a culture fit at all at AU.
When you think of Auburn football you think of hard nosed stingy defense with a power run game. If you can embrace that with a high scoring offense or a dynamic offense then you will be a big time culturally accepted coach. It isn't the end all be all but that's Auburn.
That and then every 3-4 years you need to be in contention for an SEC championship which puts you in contention for a NC as well.
Posted on 10/17/22 at 10:08 am to FearlessFreep
Rodney, Grimes, Deion, Freeze and Charles Kelly (which is a legit candidate) are all mid 50ish in age
Even the young gun Lane is 47
Even the young gun Lane is 47
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Posted on 10/17/22 at 10:08 am to makersmark1
Culture is important but it can quickly go wrong in a big way.
See Chizik and Orgeron - two guys at the right schools at the right time. Perfect for each situation, both cratered pretty immediately.
And then sometimes you have guys trying to build an attractive culture in a region/setting where it's just hard to sell and where you have no idea how to implement it (Harsin).
Anyway, I totally agree Auburn has to find a fit for Auburn. And that may not be a guy that is perfect everywhere else. But the cultural change has to be deep rooted and sustainable. And that's where I think guys like Rhule and Grimes (neither my top choice FWIW) resemble Dabo/Kirby/etc. more than other names we're throwing out. It just so happens that all four of those guys are/where somewhat ho-hum hires.
People forget that Kirby wasn't a grand slam when we interviewed him, and he was the logical but not sensational choice for UGA when they hired him. He'd been attached to Saban and resistant to move for a long while, very Venebles-ish. Anyway, I'm not diminishing him at all, I just think we all look back at him like he was a home run, but it was not what most people considered splashy (the Auburn attempt or the UGA hire).
See Chizik and Orgeron - two guys at the right schools at the right time. Perfect for each situation, both cratered pretty immediately.
And then sometimes you have guys trying to build an attractive culture in a region/setting where it's just hard to sell and where you have no idea how to implement it (Harsin).
Anyway, I totally agree Auburn has to find a fit for Auburn. And that may not be a guy that is perfect everywhere else. But the cultural change has to be deep rooted and sustainable. And that's where I think guys like Rhule and Grimes (neither my top choice FWIW) resemble Dabo/Kirby/etc. more than other names we're throwing out. It just so happens that all four of those guys are/where somewhat ho-hum hires.
People forget that Kirby wasn't a grand slam when we interviewed him, and he was the logical but not sensational choice for UGA when they hired him. He'd been attached to Saban and resistant to move for a long while, very Venebles-ish. Anyway, I'm not diminishing him at all, I just think we all look back at him like he was a home run, but it was not what most people considered splashy (the Auburn attempt or the UGA hire).
Posted on 10/17/22 at 10:15 am to Pettifogger
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See Chizik and Orgeron
Orgeron lost his mind once he won a national championship.
Chizik tried to implement a 1990 offense when everything was trending opposite, plus he had taken a chance on some very talented players with some character flaws which showed up big time when we started losing games. I don't think we see some of those flaws without the losses.
But in the end both won national championships quickly at their schools. And no one could have handled the Cam bullshite better then Chizik. A weaker man would have crumbled.
Posted on 10/17/22 at 10:22 am to CorchJay
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But in the end both won national championships quickly at their schools. And no one could have handled the Cam bullshite better then Chizik. A weaker man would have crumbled.
I know, he was perfect. He got us - God thing, brotherhood, all-in, but it just didn't have the sustainability. A lot of people saw the Orgeron crash coming from miles away, it looked so familiar.
I'm sure neither school has any regrets.
Posted on 10/17/22 at 10:23 am to AUCE05
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we gifted him the first one
You mean we did what most teams do when they face an opponent a second time in the same season and inverse the results.
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