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re: Nate Oats is 50-23 at Bama so far!
Posted on 12/14/21 at 10:29 am to rockiee
Posted on 12/14/21 at 10:29 am to rockiee
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Bruce's team that made the final four was very dependent on the 3 as well.
That team did shoot a lot of threes but I think what made them successful in the tournament was great guard play, perimeter defense, and having guys that could create their own shot (Harper and Okeke)
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Posted on 12/14/21 at 10:29 am to marshallcotiger
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My question is how deep can that style of play go in a post season tournament
Villanova steamrolled their way to a title with a very similar style of play just a few years ago.
Posted on 12/14/21 at 10:29 am to marshallcotiger
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I like his style of play. Unquestionably a top 5 coach in the conference. My question is how deep can that style of play go in a post season tournament.
We beat a Top 10 Houston team the other night only making 7 3-pointers (and only taking 18 of them).
We're a much more diverse offensive team this season with the addition of Davison and Bediako and the growth of some other guys.
This post was edited on 12/14/21 at 10:31 am
Posted on 12/14/21 at 10:30 am to Crimsonite94
Frank Martin went 60-23 at Carolina with a NCAA Final Four between Nov 14, 2015 and Dec 9, 2017.
Posted on 12/14/21 at 10:31 am to OrcMischief
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That team did shoot a lot of threes but I think what made them successful in the tournament was great guard play, perimeter defense, and having guys that could create their own shot (Harper and Okeke)
Sure but just goes to show it can work, its about other factors as well
I looked awhile back and on average, slower paced teams do a little better in the tournament but any coach with the right parts can take their system far.
Posted on 12/14/21 at 10:33 am to rockiee
Not to mention, we didn't lose to UCLA because we shot a bunch of 3's. We lost because we went 11/25 at the FT line.
If we shoot 60% from the FT line we win by 5 and go to the Elite 8.
If we shoot 60% from the FT line we win by 5 and go to the Elite 8.
This post was edited on 12/14/21 at 10:34 am
Posted on 12/14/21 at 10:33 am to marshallcotiger
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Alabama doesn't play bad defense by any means but I don't see the ability to lock good teams down or anything resembling a post presence.
Post defense? Probably not but they do play good defense overall under Oats.
They finished 3rd in defensive efficiency last year
Posted on 12/14/21 at 10:35 am to SummerOfGeorge
True but on a neutral court that one probably ends differently. Quinerly's ability to get into the lane does mitigate some of the dependence on the 3 point shot so like you said there are other options. Regardless it's a fun team to watch but I do think overall the team isn't as complete as it was last season. If they're hot they can beat anyone anywhere
Posted on 12/14/21 at 10:36 am to marshallcotiger
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Alabama doesn't play bad defense by any means but I don't see the ability to lock good teams down
We're not as good defensively this year as we were last year, but we're still pretty good defensively (we were an elite defensive team last year).
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or anything resembling a post presence.
We just won a game against Gonzaga who has one of the few old school post players (and best) in America, and another 7 footer who will be a Top 3 pick.
Posted on 12/14/21 at 10:36 am to SummerOfGeorge
High 3 point shooting teams do create a high variance between results.
I think their is some logic to the thought that those teams don't go far but it mainly applies to solo faceted mid majors that take a ton of 3s. They are good picks for upsets in the early rounds because they can beat almost anyone if they are hot from three but that isn't what Oats is trying to do anyway. Oats would cringe at the shot some of those mid major teams take
I think their is some logic to the thought that those teams don't go far but it mainly applies to solo faceted mid majors that take a ton of 3s. They are good picks for upsets in the early rounds because they can beat almost anyone if they are hot from three but that isn't what Oats is trying to do anyway. Oats would cringe at the shot some of those mid major teams take
This post was edited on 12/14/21 at 10:37 am
Posted on 12/14/21 at 10:37 am to rockiee
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They finished 3rd in defensive efficiency last year
Herb Jones is one of the best defenders I've ever seen at the collegiate level.
Posted on 12/14/21 at 10:39 am to marshallcotiger
The only potential issue I saw last year in the tournament is that the system is not necessarily great in OT. Throughout the game, there are times where the 3pt just isn't there, and if the 3 is off during those 5 minutes you're screwed.
Posted on 12/14/21 at 10:39 am to marshallcotiger
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Regardless it's a fun team to watch but I do think overall the team isn't as complete as it was last season
Agree to disagree - I think it's much more complete than last year, has way more ways to beat you and has a higher ceiling with Bediako and Davison only starting to scratch the surface and Tchikou not even really contributing at all yet.
We're not quite as good defensively as last year, but we're getting there, and we're much much more efficient and diverse offensively.
Posted on 12/14/21 at 10:39 am to marshallcotiger
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Herb Jones is one of the best defenders I've ever seen at the collegiate level.
No doubt but it was also a good team defense
Bama is never going to look sexy by the raw numbers on the defense because of their pace but I don't think Oats will ever have a bad defensive team
Posted on 12/14/21 at 10:41 am to marshallcotiger
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Herb Jones is one of the best defenders I've ever seen at the collegiate level.
Herb was awesome, but he was often a liability on offense, and we didn't have a center to match up with teams that did, or to clean up when teams drove into the lane.
Posted on 12/14/21 at 10:41 am to rockiee
It's difficult to overstate what a difference Bediako makes in our offensive ceiling. He completely changes the way teams have to cover our high ball screens. Teams have to defend the roll in a way they never had to last year, and that opens up everything to the ball handler (whether it be JQ, JD or Shack) and the wings.
If our offense gets space to operate and get the flow going, it's going to be in good shape. The times we struggled last year were when we couldn't get the motion going and got stagnant because teams refused to help off penetration and didn't worry about our screener rolling and finishing. Bediako makes it way, way easier to always find a way to get space to start the offensive cycle.
If our offense gets space to operate and get the flow going, it's going to be in good shape. The times we struggled last year were when we couldn't get the motion going and got stagnant because teams refused to help off penetration and didn't worry about our screener rolling and finishing. Bediako makes it way, way easier to always find a way to get space to start the offensive cycle.
This post was edited on 12/14/21 at 10:44 am
Posted on 12/14/21 at 10:43 am to OrcMischief
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1x loser to Iona
Bad loss at the time for Alabama, but Iona is currently leading the MAAC, and if they finish as projected, this could be a Quadrant 1 loss at the end of the season.
If you want to compare NET at this point, Alabama's best wins are over Q1 Houston and Gonzaga. Auburn's two Q1 games were a loss to Connecticut and a win against Loyola-Chicago.
Alabama hasn't played any Q4 teams. Auburn has played four.
Posted on 12/14/21 at 10:44 am to SummerOfGeorge
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Agree to disagree
Fair enough. I haven't seen much of Bediako so maybe I'm missing something offensively.
Posted on 12/14/21 at 10:44 am to marshallcotiger
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or anything resembling a post presence.
Charles Bediako is 3rd in the SEC in blocked shots.
Posted on 12/14/21 at 10:45 am to marshallcotiger
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like his style of play. Unquestionably a top 5 coach in the conference. My question is how deep can that style of play go in a post season tournament.
I mean Houston is a top 5 team according to KP and we just beat them and only made 7 3’s
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