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re: Worst Auburn coaching staff ever?
Posted on 10/3/22 at 10:44 am to ALhunter
Posted on 10/3/22 at 10:44 am to ALhunter
I am an old fart. Proud of it!
Yes sir in my opinion this is the worst Staff.
"Proper notion that everything was awful during his tenure is a myth that won't die"...Phillip Marshall.
Barfield gets a bad rap in Auburn history due to being a probation coach and insider politics as evidenced by another poster.
In 1975 Auburn was just coming off a 10-2 year from 1974 where they could have, should have been undefeated.
Beard retired, Auburn hired new school President Philpott. Shug went to Philpott wanting to be both AD and coach. Philpott only agreed to one. Shug wanted out of the HC job and wanted to be AD. Recruiting was dead in the water, the 1972 amazins had used all eligibility it was dry earth.
Philpott would not let Shug pick the next HC. Never said publically but Shug wanted Davis next. Shug then took his marbles decided to retire and went home.
Philpott and BOT wanted Barfield who was up and coming innovative offensive coach while other influential people wanted Davis. It was not suppose to be announced until April but leaked out. The resulting division internally would complicate Barfield for 5 years.
He inherited a team that presently went 3-6-2, talent was dwindling, Shugs retirement rumors, etc.
Barfield was a man of class. He never tried to deflect blame, blame it on Shug and recruited some of the best players in Auburn history. All were impact players and some helped Dye to win his first SEC Championship. His 1977-79 teams beat the hell out of Georgia in Athens and should have won the tie in 79.
I said all this to leave you with... now you know why us "Old farts" always say typical Auburn. Inside politics, fighting and it has been going on for years.
Yes sir in my opinion this is the worst Staff.
"Proper notion that everything was awful during his tenure is a myth that won't die"...Phillip Marshall.
Barfield gets a bad rap in Auburn history due to being a probation coach and insider politics as evidenced by another poster.
In 1975 Auburn was just coming off a 10-2 year from 1974 where they could have, should have been undefeated.
Beard retired, Auburn hired new school President Philpott. Shug went to Philpott wanting to be both AD and coach. Philpott only agreed to one. Shug wanted out of the HC job and wanted to be AD. Recruiting was dead in the water, the 1972 amazins had used all eligibility it was dry earth.
Philpott would not let Shug pick the next HC. Never said publically but Shug wanted Davis next. Shug then took his marbles decided to retire and went home.
Philpott and BOT wanted Barfield who was up and coming innovative offensive coach while other influential people wanted Davis. It was not suppose to be announced until April but leaked out. The resulting division internally would complicate Barfield for 5 years.
He inherited a team that presently went 3-6-2, talent was dwindling, Shugs retirement rumors, etc.
Barfield was a man of class. He never tried to deflect blame, blame it on Shug and recruited some of the best players in Auburn history. All were impact players and some helped Dye to win his first SEC Championship. His 1977-79 teams beat the hell out of Georgia in Athens and should have won the tie in 79.
I said all this to leave you with... now you know why us "Old farts" always say typical Auburn. Inside politics, fighting and it has been going on for years.
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Posted on 10/3/22 at 10:52 am to greygoose
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Roof was notorious for sticking to his gameplan
What?
Tell me you didn’t watch a game in 2010 without telling me you didn’t watch a game. Roof actually did a fantastic job of halftime and in game adjustments to the defense.
Auburn’s defense in 2010 ended up ranked 6th in the nation and top in the SEC….for comparison, Alabama was 16th in the nation that year.
Dude, do some damn research at least before spewing your bullshite.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 10:53 am to AUDevil
In aggregate I'd say 2010 had a very stacked defense, particularly a generational DLine. The offense had a lot of talent and the addition of Cam made the offense "stacked" as well.
That's fair - I'd still say that it was a stacked college team... Dyer broke Bo's freshman record. We had a deep experienced Oline with an all american left tackle and two of those guys got drafted. Lutz was all around solid and bounced around some practice squads. McCaleb posted the fastest official 40 by a runningback ever at the combine to that point. Darwin Adams was in the NFL a bit then went to the CFL. Trovon bounced around practice squads for years.
I'm not sure any offensive player on our current roster other than maybe our RBs would get PT on the 2010 team... maybe a wideout?
I'd also argue a generational offensive player is often the difference between 9 win teams and amazing teams. Removing VY from texas, TT from FL, DW from clemson... remove JW from FS and we have a second recent title.
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Not a lot of key contributors from that offense stuck in the NFL.
That's fair - I'd still say that it was a stacked college team... Dyer broke Bo's freshman record. We had a deep experienced Oline with an all american left tackle and two of those guys got drafted. Lutz was all around solid and bounced around some practice squads. McCaleb posted the fastest official 40 by a runningback ever at the combine to that point. Darwin Adams was in the NFL a bit then went to the CFL. Trovon bounced around practice squads for years.
I'm not sure any offensive player on our current roster other than maybe our RBs would get PT on the 2010 team... maybe a wideout?
I'd also argue a generational offensive player is often the difference between 9 win teams and amazing teams. Removing VY from texas, TT from FL, DW from clemson... remove JW from FS and we have a second recent title.
This post was edited on 10/3/22 at 10:56 am
Posted on 10/3/22 at 11:03 am to AUWDE
quote:This is directly from Thigpen and Trooper Taylor.
What?
Tell me you didn’t watch a game in 2010 without telling me you didn’t watch a game. Roof actually did a fantastic job of halftime and in game adjustments to the defense.
Auburn’s defense in 2010 ended up ranked 6th in the nation and top in the SEC….for comparison, Alabama was 16th in the nation that year.
Dude, do some damn research at least before spewing your bullshite.
Roof would scheme and game plan and have the players practice what AU was going to do on Monday and Tuesday. Chizik would walk in to the Wednesday coaches meeting and kill Roof's plan and go vanilla. Roof was notoriously multiple. Zone blitzes, multiple fronts, etc.. Why Chizik hired him I'll never know. At many halftimes in 2010, Chizik would let Roof deploy what they had been practicing all week. Hence the "halftime adjustment" label.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 11:08 am to alpinetiger
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Roof was notoriously multiple. Zone blitzes, multiple fronts, etc..
Ha so our defense was good in the second half during 2010 because we ran the prepared defensive scheme? I guess that counts if his hands were tied in the first half... The second half points of our opponents definitely support it.
That said... the whole point of the question is whether our current halftime offensive adjustments are the worst ever and I'd still say yes... it's just baffling how bad we are in the second half on offense this year.
Wouldn't be a bad idea for Harsin to do this with the offense this year... but I'm assuming we're still trying to put in the basic packages with Ashford and work on read meshes etc.
This post was edited on 10/3/22 at 11:15 am
Posted on 10/3/22 at 11:52 am to ALhunter
quote:I think you're guilty of thinking coaches being omnipresent. They anoint things and make decisions we don't understand. In reality they are probably like you in your job.
That said... the whole point of the question is whether our current halftime offensive adjustments are the worst ever and I'd still say yes... it's just baffling how bad we are in the second half on offense this year.
I think we suck at QB right now. No halftime adjustment is going to fix that.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 12:10 pm to BigTastey
quote:This is all pretty accurate by my memory as well. Barfield's big problem was his wishy-washiness, which I heard from a good friend who was a LB/TE back in the day. Davis was loved and respected, and it took a lot out of the team when Barfield got the HC gig despite Shug's preference. And P.W. "Bear" Underwood was pretty much despised by everyone.
Barfield gets a bad rap in Auburn history due to being a probation coach and insider politics as evidenced by another poster.
In 1975 Auburn was just coming off a 10-2 year from 1974 where they could have, should have been undefeated.
Beard retired, Auburn hired new school President Philpott. Shug went to Philpott wanting to be both AD and coach. Philpott only agreed to one. Shug wanted out of the HC job and wanted to be AD. Recruiting was dead in the water, the 1972 amazins had used all eligibility it was dry earth.
Philpott would not let Shug pick the next HC. Never said publically but Shug wanted Davis next. Shug then took his marbles decided to retire and went home.
Philpott and BOT wanted Barfield who was up and coming innovative offensive coach while other influential people wanted Davis. It was not suppose to be announced until April but leaked out. The resulting division internally would complicate Barfield for 5 years.
He inherited a team that presently went 3-6-2, talent was dwindling, Shugs retirement rumors, etc.
Barfield was a man of class. He never tried to deflect blame, blame it on Shug and recruited some of the best players in Auburn history.
quote:Tie was in '78.
His 1977-79 teams beat the hell out of Georgia in Athens and should have won the tie in 79.
1979 was a weird season - we were on probation and ineligible, Bama went 11-0 and would squeak by us in the IB (had a wide-open TE in the end zone for a tying TD in the final minutes but he couldn't hang on). UGa had lost all 4 of their OOC games (including a 31-0 blowout to UVa) but by virtue of a weak SEC slate were undefeated in conference. If they had beaten us in the DSOR, they would have tied for the SEC Title and due to the rules in place at the time would have been the Sugar Bowl rep.
But we boatraced them 33-13 on their home turf, and even broke my old elementary school buddy Buck Belue's leg in the process. Got his revenge the next year, with Herschel's help...
Posted on 10/3/22 at 12:17 pm to alpinetiger
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I think you're guilty of thinking coaches being omnipresent.
Not at all - I do expect teams to score points in the second half though and halftime adjustments on offense are critical. Hell, adjustments between series are critical. I do think to an extent against LSU part of it is just the fact that Ashford isn't fully versed in the offense and gave up several turnovers. Another piece of it is probably poor game management. The fact still remains we scored 0 points after the first quarter against Missouri and 0 points in the second half of LSU.
If the QBs aren't good enough for Harsin's offense to make adjustments that's on him as well considering these are all QBs he brought in... We can't be competitive in this league scoring zero points after the first quarter on Missouri... it's just unacceptable.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 2:15 pm to ALhunter
28 point underdogs to UGA speaks volumes about where this staff has us
Posted on 10/3/22 at 2:20 pm to Poker Dough
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That spread is somewhat historic, as college football analyst Phil Steele pointed out: "Last year, Georgia was -15 vs. Auburn, which was the most they had been favored by in the series since I have been tracking lines (1976). This year, [Georgia has] nearly doubled that."
Wow...
Posted on 10/3/22 at 2:21 pm to ALhunter
And we let Harsin linger because?
Posted on 10/3/22 at 3:18 pm to Poker Dough
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And we let Harsin linger because?
If he's not fired after after the Athens trip, then it's purely $ talking and we're riding this sinking ship to the ocean floor.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 3:25 pm to ALhunter
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Failing to recruit olinemen and evolve the offense after rule changes caused Malzahn's decline
He evolved the offense. He quit the successful DT QB approach and started recruiting semi mobile “passing qb’s”. It wasn’t broke but he still tried to fix it
Posted on 10/3/22 at 4:01 pm to ALhunter
2004 undefeated, "Tubs...never got the most out of his offensive talent" Ronnie Brown/Cadillac Williams on team.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 4:07 pm to ALhunter
I have never seen a worse hire at Auburn in my lifetime. He showed promise at the beginning then it spiraled out of control and now we are going to be firing him after Sat, less than two seasons at the helm.
Also, he looks like a coke head in some of his interviews. Pale, sweaty, fidgety.
Also, he looks like a coke head in some of his interviews. Pale, sweaty, fidgety.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 4:09 pm to AUWDE
quote:probably the best second half team i have ever seen
Roof actually did a fantastic job of halftime and in game adjustments to the defense.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 4:20 pm to AuburnTigers
Without Bo hiding some of his deficiencies, we probable go 3-9 or 4-8 last year..
Posted on 10/3/22 at 4:46 pm to TemperdTiger
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2004 undefeated, "Tubs...never got the most out of his offensive talent" Ronnie Brown/Cadillac Williams on team.
Yea honestly the Va. Tech game probably skewed my view of that season. Some reason I had it in my head that we scored fewer points than I thought we should have given our talent level on offense. I was specifically thinking of 03-04 when I made that statement because we had three legitimate first round skill players on offense along with several other guys who could play in the NFL and the defense was absurdly good.
This post was edited on 10/3/22 at 4:47 pm
Posted on 10/3/22 at 10:18 pm to ALhunter
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I mean the staff in aggregate not "OK Cadillac is a good coach". All previous staffs there were some things they did well, some things they did poorly. This staff I can't come up with the positive side of that equation.
In defense of Caddy, it is difficult to coach running backs on what to do when literally 90% of the time they get the ball, one or more defenders are waiting for them in the backfield.
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