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Why We Should Keep Gustav As HC (long post)
Posted on 10/4/20 at 12:04 pm
Posted on 10/4/20 at 12:04 pm
(Was going to post this as a reply in another thread, but thought it deserved a separate topic. You may disagree )
It’s obvious to everyone that we grossly overpaid Gustav following the 2017 season. But I look at his outrageous buyout clause (foist upon us largely by two individuals whom we entrusted to make this program-defining decision, and subsequently also paid millions to go away, in typical AU fashion) as a blessing in disguise.
It seems to me that we’re on the right side of the bell curve of CFB’s popularity as a sport. And as popularity falls, so will revenue. And once the major networks inevitably decide to cut their losses, there won’t be enough TV revenue to offset the expenses of running a championship football program.
The Big Corhuna has surely accelerated the process, but it was already underway. As the cohort of people who care enough about traditional team sports shrinks, the costs associated with maintaining a competitive major college athletic program continue to grow, and a sport like football that requires a huge commitment in money and resources becomes a luxury no competent institution can justify.
Throw in the collapse of the economic viability of high school football (not to mention the issues regarding demographic change and physical safety of the players) will lead to the inevitable decline of talented recruits, which may even explain AU’s recent failures attracting “SEC caliber” linemen - there’s just not enough of them to go around anymore.
It’s probably not in our best interest as a University to waste tens of millions of dollars pursuing a dying dream. Let Malzahn (and Sexton) collect their ridiculously exorbitant paychecks until 2023, when it becomes cheaper to pay his buyout than it does his salary. By then it will probably be a moot point anyway, as most of the fans will have found better things to do on fall Saturdays. Many already have.
As a disclaimer, I must point out that my own passion for what the kids refer to as “sportsball” has declined precipitously over the past few years. Once I was a fanatic devotee of the Braves, the Falcons, and all manner of Auburn athletic teams. But time and life’s circumstances have slowly dimmed my enthusiasm for such pursuits. I imagine that I’m not alone amongst my demographic group.
In spite of it all, I still feel an irrational desire to see AU football succeed. But there is a price for such irrationallities, and my pride in AU’s athletic accomplishments, divorced as they are from any of my own contributions to them, simply isn’t worth it anymore. Buying out Gustav’s contract - and those of his staff - would be the ultimate example of throwing good money after bad, at a time we can least afford it.
So I think its time we learned our lesson and abandoned our unfounded and unrealistic expectations of gridiron glory.
This is the face of Auburn football. We are who we are.
It’s obvious to everyone that we grossly overpaid Gustav following the 2017 season. But I look at his outrageous buyout clause (foist upon us largely by two individuals whom we entrusted to make this program-defining decision, and subsequently also paid millions to go away, in typical AU fashion) as a blessing in disguise.
It seems to me that we’re on the right side of the bell curve of CFB’s popularity as a sport. And as popularity falls, so will revenue. And once the major networks inevitably decide to cut their losses, there won’t be enough TV revenue to offset the expenses of running a championship football program.
The Big Corhuna has surely accelerated the process, but it was already underway. As the cohort of people who care enough about traditional team sports shrinks, the costs associated with maintaining a competitive major college athletic program continue to grow, and a sport like football that requires a huge commitment in money and resources becomes a luxury no competent institution can justify.
Throw in the collapse of the economic viability of high school football (not to mention the issues regarding demographic change and physical safety of the players) will lead to the inevitable decline of talented recruits, which may even explain AU’s recent failures attracting “SEC caliber” linemen - there’s just not enough of them to go around anymore.
It’s probably not in our best interest as a University to waste tens of millions of dollars pursuing a dying dream. Let Malzahn (and Sexton) collect their ridiculously exorbitant paychecks until 2023, when it becomes cheaper to pay his buyout than it does his salary. By then it will probably be a moot point anyway, as most of the fans will have found better things to do on fall Saturdays. Many already have.
As a disclaimer, I must point out that my own passion for what the kids refer to as “sportsball” has declined precipitously over the past few years. Once I was a fanatic devotee of the Braves, the Falcons, and all manner of Auburn athletic teams. But time and life’s circumstances have slowly dimmed my enthusiasm for such pursuits. I imagine that I’m not alone amongst my demographic group.
In spite of it all, I still feel an irrational desire to see AU football succeed. But there is a price for such irrationallities, and my pride in AU’s athletic accomplishments, divorced as they are from any of my own contributions to them, simply isn’t worth it anymore. Buying out Gustav’s contract - and those of his staff - would be the ultimate example of throwing good money after bad, at a time we can least afford it.
So I think its time we learned our lesson and abandoned our unfounded and unrealistic expectations of gridiron glory.
This is the face of Auburn football. We are who we are.
Posted on 10/4/20 at 12:06 pm to FearlessFreep
Based on your subject line, I'm not reading your bullshite.
We need change to reinvigorate the fan base.
We need change to reinvigorate the fan base.
Posted on 10/4/20 at 12:17 pm to FearlessFreep
quote:... u forgot it tells the accreditation committee we're no longer a football factory.
Why We Should Keep Gus
Posted on 10/4/20 at 12:19 pm to HailToTheChiz
quote:OK.
We need a ridiculously expensive and economically unjustifiable change to possibly reinvigorate the demographically declining fan base.
Posted on 10/4/20 at 12:34 pm to FearlessFreep
Not sure if satire or serious, but if serious wow. I think the brokenness of your post is the perfect illustration of why Gus needs to go and now. Much of what you said about the economy of football has merit but programs that are fun and exciting and competitive are doing just fine. Just because it’s not fun for us doesn’t mean it’s like that everywhere
Posted on 10/4/20 at 12:49 pm to FearlessFreep
Gus isn’t going anywhere. Covid is just exposing how ridiculous these coaches contracts have become. We can’t afford to can him.
Posted on 10/4/20 at 1:04 pm to Smoke7024
In the long run keeping him is going to be more costly
Posted on 10/4/20 at 1:42 pm to RandySavage
You could be right. We know that it’ll be a huge hit to fire him now. Believe me, I don’t want to keep him.
People threaten all the time to not come back, but the seats are still full every week.
People threaten all the time to not come back, but the seats are still full every week.
This post was edited on 10/4/20 at 1:43 pm
Posted on 10/4/20 at 1:44 pm to FearlessFreep
Gus will be gone when the boosters get tired enough of him that they pony up whatever buyout money is needed at the time. It' really that simple.
Posted on 10/4/20 at 2:27 pm to Smoke7024
quote:I think that assumption is dangerous.
People threaten all the time to not come back, but the seats are still full every week.
I believe there will be a permanent decline in attendance for all large social gatherings, not just AU football, as a result of the pandemic. How large a decline is TBD.
As for TV revenues, they will inevitably begin to fall based on dropping viewership:
quote:
But for college, the restart of the SEC games this past weekend was a bust. Mississippi State’s upset of LSU averaged a 2.5 rating and 4.44 million viewers in Saturday’s season premiere of the SEC on CBS, marking the highest rating and viewership of the college football season. The previous highs were a 2.4 and 4.32 million for Notre Dame’s home opener against Duke on NBC. But ratings fell 17% and viewership 10% from last year’s SEC on CBS debut, which took place one week earlier in the season (Alabama-South Carolina: 3.0, 4.95 million). Versus the same week of last season, ratings still fell 17% and viewership 5% (from Auburn-Texas A&M: 3.0, 4.66 million). Overall, Saturday’s game averaged fewer viewers than 12 of last year’s 16 SEC on CBS windows.
LINK
Bear in mind, this was the opening weekend of an SEC season like no other, and when actual attendence was severely restricted (which one would assume would increase TV viewers, not decrease them).
This post was edited on 10/4/20 at 2:31 pm
Posted on 11/24/20 at 9:56 am to FearlessFreep
Bump.
I wish to thank the posters for their responses in this thread that provide support to my contention in the OP: there are no potential HC candidates we could hire that are worth what it would cost to replace Gustav.
None whatsoever.
I wish to thank the posters for their responses in this thread that provide support to my contention in the OP: there are no potential HC candidates we could hire that are worth what it would cost to replace Gustav.
None whatsoever.
Posted on 11/24/20 at 12:48 pm to FearlessFreep
So Freep-
You don’t care about football anymore so Auburn should have their rich boosters pay some money to Gus instead of paying more money to a better coach?
That sum it up?
The buyout is only an issue for our wealthy boosters.
The tone of this thread will change in less than 5 days. Once bammer beats us by 35 points - the heat will turn up.
When A&M follows up with a 17 point victory - Gus will understand why we are ready for him to go.
0-2 is coming gentlemen. Best be ready.
Sadly, we have the talent to win both games. Just not the head coach.
You don’t care about football anymore so Auburn should have their rich boosters pay some money to Gus instead of paying more money to a better coach?
That sum it up?
The buyout is only an issue for our wealthy boosters.
The tone of this thread will change in less than 5 days. Once bammer beats us by 35 points - the heat will turn up.
When A&M follows up with a 17 point victory - Gus will understand why we are ready for him to go.
0-2 is coming gentlemen. Best be ready.
Sadly, we have the talent to win both games. Just not the head coach.
Posted on 11/24/20 at 1:33 pm to SECdragonmaster
quote:Not at all.
You don’t care about football anymore so Auburn should have their rich boosters pay some money to Gus instead of paying more money to a better coach?
That sum it up?
I just think the rich boosters got that way because they didn't spend their money foolishly.
And as I was told in the other thread, an guy with 9+ seasons experience as an FBS HC, including 3+ at a P5 school (with a .774 winning percentage, a conference championship, a NY6 bowl win and a top 10 ranking), and has won 2 conference COTY awards (1 G5, 1 P5), who played and/or coached under 3 NC winning HCs and has NC rings from 2 seasons as a player and another as an assistant coach, and received a national award as the best recruiter, and has elevated his current school's recruiting from the high teens-mid 20s nationally to top 10 the last three cycles, is probably "fools gold" who "he has not done shite yet to prove he is" a great HC because "it’s hard to look at (his) record and prove he’s any good".
So, if a guy like that isn't good enough to replace Gustav, then no one is. Period.
This post was edited on 11/24/20 at 1:35 pm
Posted on 11/24/20 at 1:45 pm to FearlessFreep
quote:Stopped reading here
(long post)
Posted on 11/24/20 at 3:48 pm to FearlessFreep
While the annual loses to UGA are absolutely soul crushing, I agree with you Freep. If you read the FSU article on their decline, you can see boosters are constantly asked for donations. I would think the boosters would not donate more money but would change their donations from construction projects to paying a coach to not coach. This could turn out to be more detrimental in the long run.
Also, firing Gus is only 1/2 of the equation. Getting rid of a coach doesn't mean we get a better coach. Just some reminders of names that have been mentioned to "replace" Gus over the years.
David Shaw
PJ Fleck
Jeff Brohm
Larry Fedora
Justin Fuente
Dave Doeren
Scott Frost
Chip Kelly
Jimbo Fisher
Mike Leach
James Franklin
Mike Norvell
Ruffin McNeil
Tom Herman
even Chad Morris was mentioned back in the day.
Some may still be good coaches, but are they a $50M improvement (approx $30M buyout of staff and then paying new coaching staff)?
I think hiring away a successful P5 coach is a pipe dream. We would probably hire a non-P5 coach or a P5 coordinator due to budgetary reasons. Know any coordinators worth the initial $30M investment?
Also, firing Gus is only 1/2 of the equation. Getting rid of a coach doesn't mean we get a better coach. Just some reminders of names that have been mentioned to "replace" Gus over the years.
David Shaw
PJ Fleck
Jeff Brohm
Larry Fedora
Justin Fuente
Dave Doeren
Scott Frost
Chip Kelly
Jimbo Fisher
Mike Leach
James Franklin
Mike Norvell
Ruffin McNeil
Tom Herman
even Chad Morris was mentioned back in the day.
Some may still be good coaches, but are they a $50M improvement (approx $30M buyout of staff and then paying new coaching staff)?
I think hiring away a successful P5 coach is a pipe dream. We would probably hire a non-P5 coach or a P5 coordinator due to budgetary reasons. Know any coordinators worth the initial $30M investment?
Posted on 11/24/20 at 5:27 pm to FearlessFreep
quote:
Why We Should Keep Gustav As HC (long post)
Posted on 11/24/20 at 5:35 pm to FearlessFreep
Once upon a time I had the energy to read all of that. Attempt to type that much? frick that.
Gustav isn’t going anywhere.
Gustav isn’t going anywhere.
Posted on 11/24/20 at 6:30 pm to jangalang
Could future coaches contract be wins, revenue, and donation based?
Each win is with X.
% of revenue growth season over season?
% donations earmarked for program?
Each win is with X.
% of revenue growth season over season?
% donations earmarked for program?
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