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re: What’s the knock on Napier?
Posted on 12/14/20 at 11:59 am to metafour
Posted on 12/14/20 at 11:59 am to metafour
quote:This.
The "gameday coach" stuff is entirely up in the air. I've literally heard people state that Saban is a bad gameday coach. 95% of this job at this level is "CEO" type stuff: recruiting, assembling a staff of recruiters and coaches, and setting a team IDENTITY with a prolonged vision. The 5% "gameday" crap is up in the air - we've seen Gus beat Saban and Urban struggle with Tommy Tuberville. Everyone is going to lose games; the goal here is to find an elite recruiter who understands program building and how to get there. Cristobal has the makeup of this type of coach, and I can't stress enough how important recruiting is at this level. He understands things like the fact that you NEED to build both sides of the football at the lines. He would also assemble an elite staff here as he has built connections and is the type who's recruiting ability also extends to recruiting coaches.
I'm starting to think Cristobal stays at Oregon, which is unfortunate. But Napier would be a good upgrade from Gustav.
Still not time to panic. Unless the Steele rumors are true
This post was edited on 12/14/20 at 12:00 pm
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Posted on 12/14/20 at 12:51 pm to metafour
quote:You left out his stint at FIU...that cannot be avoided. TY Hilton was his reason for success there. Sorry but you just can't skip past that. Did he learn? Don't know but I look at our game last year and he didn't change much in that game to give them an edge.
I mean, it sounds like you came to a conclusion and are just going to talk your way into believing it regardless. Oregon is not in any way, shape or, form, an "easy" school to win at. He has taken their recruiting to a level that no coach - not even Chip Kelly - came close to reaching. That school is NOT easy to recruit to: they have zero instate talent, and who the frick wants to go to school in Eugene, Oregon? Cristobal's elite recruiting was also confirmed at Miami. At Alabama, he spearheaded the entire recruiting effort as both the RC and AHC - its lame to just say "oh its Alabama that means nothing". He was by far the best recruiter on a staff of "All Star" recruiters. Literally the same thing was said about Kirby who has continued his recruiting prowess at Georgia. Everyone who I have heard from who knows anything has told me that Cristobal is a Top-5 recruiting HC. He's that good, and now consider that despite having zero West-Coast ties, he is recruiting better than anyone who has ever held that Oregon job. At Auburn, he'd be stepping back into the region where he actually has built-in pipelines.
The other thing about Cristobl is his pedigree. Two NC wins at Miami under Jimmy Johnson. Then moved to coaching where he tutored under Greg Schiano who is a no-nonsense type that while an a-hole, is a legitimately good coach. Cristobal was there at Rutgers when they turned that program around and sent players to the league. Then the 4-years as Saban's right-hand man during their dominance. He's picked up a lot of the intangibles required to build and maintain a program from the experiences that he has. Saban knew what he was doing when he hired him and immediately gave him the AC and RC title.
Posted on 12/14/20 at 1:13 pm to 88TIger
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You left out his stint at FIU...that cannot be avoided. TY Hilton was his reason for success there. Sorry but you just can't skip past that. Did he learn? Don't know but I look at our game last year and he didn't change much in that game to give them an edge.
The fact that I actually have to explain this is mindblowing.
FIU was on probation when he took that job. Zero wins the year prior. He was extremely young when he took that job - an impossible job - and delivered the school's first winning season EVER. Also the school's first Conference title EVER. I'm not going to sit here and pretend like he built an elite program there, but you have to understand a little bit about context - otherwise WTF are you even talking about? His program took a step back in his final two seasons and their admin fricked up and let him go prematurely. How do we know they fricked up? Their next two hires were clear downgrades from Cristobal. Butch Davis came in 2017 and put up an 8-5 and 9-4 season in his first two years, but they were 6-7 last season and 0-5 this season so you should be getting a sense of how difficult that job is. Its one of the worst jobs in the country.
Now, you understand that like ANY profession - there is a sense of development and learning that goes on. Do you think that coaching operates in a vacuum wherein you step onto the field in your first game - and thats it for you? You're a finished product? What an absolutely asinine position to take. The FIU stint was literally him getting his feet wet - he accomplished some good things and the wheels came off. Okay - he's evolved since then. The important thing is that he has a VISION and the tools necessary to accomplish that vision. Oregon won their conference last year and he has that program rolling in the right direction for more appearances if he stays there. That is the only thing you can look at and evaluate.
Posted on 12/14/20 at 1:19 pm to metafour
It’s not worth your time. I’ve already tried with him. For whatever reason he views FIU on the same level as Toledo and disregards that most of their best seasons came under Cristobal.
This post was edited on 12/14/20 at 1:19 pm
Posted on 12/14/20 at 1:19 pm to metafour
quote:You don't have to explain it. however, I don't know if you ever watched one of their games there or not. I did, I watched them a lot and the one thing I noticed when they were winning was Hilton and another WR who made it to the NFL also. Seemed like these two were their play makers. It wasn't his Offense or his defense, they sucked most of the years he was there. Sorry but yeah he was young and yeah FIU isn't a good team but still there is enough talent down there to get some good teams if he was such a great recruiter. Maybe he tuned it up after that but I am still not sold on him.
The fact that I actually have to explain this is mindblowing.
Posted on 12/14/20 at 1:22 pm to 88TIger
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I don't know if you ever watched one of their games there or not. I did, I watched them a lot and the one thing I noticed when they were winning was Hilton and another WR who made it to the NFL also. Seemed like these two were their play makers. It wasn't his Offense or his defense, they sucked most of the years he was there
Wait, so under his tenure he had an NFL receiver - at a program that started playing football in 2002 - and was on probation before he got there. But this is used AGAINST Cristobal?
What even is your point? That an NFL WR just showed up out of nowhere and appeared on the roster?
Posted on 12/14/20 at 1:28 pm to metafour
By the way, the PAC12 has been a complete mess this season. Oregon is now playing USC on Friday for the title. They're breaking in a new QB this season and had like 7 starters opt-out (including their Top 5 OT) before the conference went back and re-opened the season. It's been a bad year for them but this is an actual mulligan year in that conference.
Posted on 12/14/20 at 1:37 pm to metafour
quote:It's like blzr's nonsense about how Cristobal underachieved with his "NFL generational talent QB Justin Herbert" - while totally overlooking the fact that Herbert was the #43 QB prospect nationally (in a year that Woody Barret was #16) and that his only other FBS offers besides Oregon were Montana State, Portland State, and Northern Arizona.
Wait, so under his tenure he had an NFL receiver - at a program that started playing football in 2002 - and was on probation before he got there. But this is used AGAINST Cristobal?
What even is your point? That an NFL WR just showed up out of nowhere and appeared on the roster?
This post was edited on 12/14/20 at 1:38 pm
Posted on 12/14/20 at 1:52 pm to FearlessFreep
quote:Herbert broke his leg as a JR in HS and wasn't soley focused on football as a SR. it's not really surprising that he was overlooked as a recruit
while totally overlooking the fact that Herbert was the #43 QB prospect nationally (in a year that Woody Barret was #16) and that his only other FBS offers besides Oregon were Montana State, Portland State, and Northern Arizona.
however, i do find it extremely funny that you totally overlook the fact that Herbert was a pre-season heisman candidate the year Cristobal took over as HC
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Posted on 12/14/20 at 1:55 pm to metafour
quote:No you said he did a good job there. I disagree. He only did well because of two dynamic players. Yeah he recruited them but they were dynamic and he couldn't keep it up and got fired. If he was that great of a recruiter then he could have kept it rolling.
Wait, so under his tenure he had an NFL receiver - at a program that started playing football in 2002 - and was on probation before he got there. But this is used AGAINST Cristobal?
What even is your point? That an NFL WR just showed up out of nowhere and appeared on the roster?
Posted on 12/14/20 at 2:07 pm to joeyb147
quote:So were Kahlil Tate and Trace McSorley.
owever, i do find it extremely funny that you totally overlook the fact that Herbert was a pre-season heisman candidate the year Cristobal took over as HC
Ironically, they all ended up receiving the exact same number of Heisman votes that year. Which was zero.
BTW, Herbert seemed to flourish beginning in 2017, when Cristobal came on the staff as OL coach/co-OC under Taggart. Which is why he was so high on the 2018 and 2019 Heisman hopeful lists.
Again, I don't understand why so many here like to shite on the only realistic candidate on AU's short list with a P5 championship ring as an HC. But you do you.
Posted on 12/14/20 at 2:13 pm to FearlessFreep
quote:Yeah considering Marcus Arroyo was the QB coach but nice try...yeah and has continued being the QB Coach...
TW, Herbert seemed to flourish beginning in 2017, when Cristobal came on the staff as OL coach/co-OC under Taggart.
Posted on 12/14/20 at 2:34 pm to FearlessFreep
quote:neat
So were Kahlil Tate and Trace McSorley.
Ironically, they all ended up receiving the exact same number of Heisman votes that year. Which was zero
it also has nothing to do with the fact that you constantly ignore that Herbert was already thought to be one of the best players in the nation when MC took over as HC
quote:so it was Cristobal who was responsible for Herbert's rise to prominence? as the OL coach?
BTW, Herbert seemed to flourish beginning in 2017, when Cristobal came on the staff as OL coach/co-OC under Taggart. Which is why he was so high on the 2018 and 2019 Heisman hopeful lists.
You realize that Herbert set or equaled the program single-game records for total yards (512), passing yards (489) and touchdown passes (6) as a TF... before MC stepped on campus, right?
I'm shocked, shocked, that you are ignoring that Herbert threw for almost 2k yards, 19 TDs to just 4 INTs in 8 games as a TF just so you can praise MC all some kind of offensive guru (when he coached the OL)
quote:pointing out that you conveniently ignore facts about Herbert when you praise Cristobal isn't shitting on MC... it's shitting on you
Again, I don't understand why so many here like to shite on the only realistic candidate on AU's short list with a P5 championship ring as an HC. But you do you
Look, I'm fine with MC as HC. I don't think he's a homerun/can't miss like you do. But he's an elite recruiter, especially along the lines, and no matter what, that's a huge win in my book. We'll see if he can handle everything else that comes with the job but he's better than 90% of the other coaching names being thrown around.
Posted on 12/14/20 at 2:54 pm to joeyb147
quote:I'll overlook the snarky tone of your post to say, I completely agree with you.
Look, I'm fine with MC as HC. I don't think he's a homerun/can't miss like you do. But he's an elite recruiter, especially along the lines, and no matter what, that's a huge win in my book. We'll see if he can handle everything else that comes with the job but he's better than 90% of the other coaching names being thrown around.
I don't think he's a 'homerun/can't miss' hire. But he almost certainly has the best resume out there of the realistic candidates (no, we were never going to get Meyer or Stoops).
And yeah, Herbert certainly showed flashes of NFL-caliber talent before Cristobal set foot in Eugene. But it's important to note that he got better, and more consistent, as his career progressed - which is something we have been sorely missing at AU under Gustav.
Unfortunately Herbert's QB coach/OC moved on right after that Rose Bowl win. And the Ducks have a familiar face in that role now:
Not sure how I feel about him coming along if MC gets the gig
Posted on 12/14/20 at 3:19 pm to Weagle25
I’d prefer Cristobal only because he’s P5. Nothing against Napier.
Posted on 12/14/20 at 5:04 pm to metafour
quote:Chip Kelly had them in contention for a national title on a regular basis. So Oregon, with all it's great recruits under Cristobal, still loses to Gus and an freshman Bo Nix?
not even Chip Kelly
Stop acting like Cristobal is the second coming. He's a good recruiter, but then again, Gus had several top 10 classes. Come to think of it, Gus has a natty ring as a coordinator and came within seconds of having one as a HC, but we just fired his arse. Seriously, if you can't win in the Pac-12 against all that shitty competition, how do you think you'll fair in the SEC?
I'd take an up and comer like Napier in a heartbeat. Dude can coach!
Posted on 12/14/20 at 5:25 pm to greygoose
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Chip Kelly had them in contention for a national title on a regular basis. So Oregon, with all it's great recruits under Cristobal, still loses to Gus and an freshman Bo Nix?
As long as y’all keep posting this, I’m going to keep asking.
So we wouldn’t hire Saban?
Posted on 12/14/20 at 5:36 pm to greygoose
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Seriously, if you can't win in the Pac-12 against all that shitty competition
Didn’t he win the conference? Isn’t he playing for the championship this week?
ETA: Napier lost to CC, we shouldn’t hire him either.
This post was edited on 12/14/20 at 5:37 pm
Posted on 12/14/20 at 5:41 pm to AA7
quote:More with less vs. Less with more
Didn’t he win the conference? Isn’t he playing for the championship this week?
ETA: Napier lost to CC, we shouldn’t hire him either.
Posted on 12/14/20 at 5:42 pm to AA7
- "Can't win in the PAC12"
- Literally won the conference title last year.
Basically 2 + 2 = 5 logic.
Also, that big bad loss to Auburn came in the first game of the season and literally took a last minute prayer throw and highlight catch. Like...okay? You might have a point there if Gus blew his arse out, he didn't. Oregon went on to bounce back from that loss, win the conference, and then beat Wisconsin (who always whips us) in the Rose Bowl. Wow so bad!
- Literally won the conference title last year.
Basically 2 + 2 = 5 logic.
Also, that big bad loss to Auburn came in the first game of the season and literally took a last minute prayer throw and highlight catch. Like...okay? You might have a point there if Gus blew his arse out, he didn't. Oregon went on to bounce back from that loss, win the conference, and then beat Wisconsin (who always whips us) in the Rose Bowl. Wow so bad!
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