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re: What is your honest opinion of what happened with Chizik?
Posted on 8/3/15 at 1:25 pm to LanierSpots
Posted on 8/3/15 at 1:25 pm to LanierSpots
I like Chiz a lot and hate how things went down with him... After that atrocious season there wasn't much choice we had but to move on... I'll always respect how he held it together during our championship year, not many coaches could have went through that and still won out... Chiz will always be good with me.
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Posted on 8/3/15 at 1:29 pm to joeyb147
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Gave up over 300 yards rushing, 500 total yards.
Got out-gained by MSU by 150 yards (381-531).
And won on the last play of the game to a 6-6 (2-6) MSU team. At home.
Decent
Using your philosophy then, we should fire Gus from last years USCe and TAM games
I think you are missing the reason and point of this thread. Nobody really argues that we were not great those years
Posted on 8/3/15 at 1:30 pm to AU4real35
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. I'll always respect how he held it together during our championship year, not many coaches could have went through that and still won out... Chiz will always be good with me.
This for sure
Posted on 8/3/15 at 1:37 pm to LanierSpots
2 things happened:
1) Nick Saban
2) He won a Natty
Expectations, both internally and externally grew at a rate that I don't think he could keep up. There was the pressure to keep up with the gumps and to duplicate 2010. He is a guy, a great defensive coach, and if wading into the waters, I believe he is intelligent enough to figure out the head coach position. We were paying him too much to give him the time he would have needed.
1) Nick Saban
2) He won a Natty
Expectations, both internally and externally grew at a rate that I don't think he could keep up. There was the pressure to keep up with the gumps and to duplicate 2010. He is a guy, a great defensive coach, and if wading into the waters, I believe he is intelligent enough to figure out the head coach position. We were paying him too much to give him the time he would have needed.
Posted on 8/3/15 at 1:56 pm to HDAU
I believe he made some questionable choices at the assistant level. Our recruiting improved, but the cost wasn't worth it in the long run. To be honest if it got us 2010 and to this point I was willing to pay the cost but he had some shady dudes on staff.
We had a few coaches on staff that were marginal at best at anything other than getting kids to sign on the dotted line. CDC is a recruiter but seems to instill discipline and still has the ability to recruit. A few of those guys were only recruiters. The entire time they were on our staff I was uneasy about it, because it always seemed so dramatic and childish.
I appreciate CGC for the strong front he put on in 2010, but it always felt manufactured and not natural. When you look at 2011 and 2012 there is only one place to lay the blame. Gene! Sometimes it is easy to look at 2011 and say 8-5 we did alright, but that was a terrible football team that got there butt beat in ways I wasn't used to as an Auburn fan.
I also never understood his medaling nature with the DC and OC, it screams weakness. If you don't like what they are doing fire them at the end of the season.
We had a few coaches on staff that were marginal at best at anything other than getting kids to sign on the dotted line. CDC is a recruiter but seems to instill discipline and still has the ability to recruit. A few of those guys were only recruiters. The entire time they were on our staff I was uneasy about it, because it always seemed so dramatic and childish.
I appreciate CGC for the strong front he put on in 2010, but it always felt manufactured and not natural. When you look at 2011 and 2012 there is only one place to lay the blame. Gene! Sometimes it is easy to look at 2011 and say 8-5 we did alright, but that was a terrible football team that got there butt beat in ways I wasn't used to as an Auburn fan.
I also never understood his medaling nature with the DC and OC, it screams weakness. If you don't like what they are doing fire them at the end of the season.
This post was edited on 8/3/15 at 1:57 pm
Posted on 8/3/15 at 1:58 pm to LanierSpots
I liked Chizik but it was clear he needed to go.
Tubbs left him in a bad spot going in by getting lazy on the recruiting trail his last couple years but my biggest problem with the Chizik era was how soft we were. Also, Chizik was a defensive minded guy coming in but we never saw any results on that side of the ball besides Fairley and Bynes in 2010. That always baffled me.
Tubbs left him in a bad spot going in by getting lazy on the recruiting trail his last couple years but my biggest problem with the Chizik era was how soft we were. Also, Chizik was a defensive minded guy coming in but we never saw any results on that side of the ball besides Fairley and Bynes in 2010. That always baffled me.
Posted on 8/3/15 at 4:46 pm to LanierSpots
Short answer, totally ignoring the off-the-field stuff:
With his reputation as a DC, we should have NEVER been as bad on defense as we were over the last two seasons of his tenure.
Averaged >6 yards allowed per offensive snap vs FBS teams in 2011-12. And that's with the back-to-back anomalies against SCarolina and Florida in '11.
In our 5 losses in 2011, we averaged allowing 6.8 yards per play. We 'improved' to 'only' 6.48 yards per play in our 9 losses the following year, but a lot of that had to do with our two biggest rivals taking pity on us in the second half of our games.
I don't care what was happening with team discipline/curfews/favoritism/etc. No Auburn defense should ever be that bad.
With his reputation as a DC, we should have NEVER been as bad on defense as we were over the last two seasons of his tenure.
Averaged >6 yards allowed per offensive snap vs FBS teams in 2011-12. And that's with the back-to-back anomalies against SCarolina and Florida in '11.
In our 5 losses in 2011, we averaged allowing 6.8 yards per play. We 'improved' to 'only' 6.48 yards per play in our 9 losses the following year, but a lot of that had to do with our two biggest rivals taking pity on us in the second half of our games.
I don't care what was happening with team discipline/curfews/favoritism/etc. No Auburn defense should ever be that bad.
Posted on 8/3/15 at 7:29 pm to Rig
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He lost control of the locker room once he thought he'd been cast into immortality by winning a national championship.
I dont know where to find it, but there was an excellent professional psychology piece written about this a couple of years ago that basically said Chizik (and those in similar positions) stand a chance of thinking of themselves as Caesar. Once they conquered once, they think its an automatically repeatable exercise and should be expected to be so. That includes recruiting etc. I think we all expected 5 stars to flood auburn. didnt happen.
Dude hit the perfect storm with Gus and Cam and Fairley etc. He did a MARVELOUS job of navigating the 180K shite storm. Amazing in fact. However, once the perfect storm moved on, he had small idea of how to replicate the results with more ordinary players and without his magic man OC.
This post was edited on 8/3/15 at 7:31 pm
Posted on 8/3/15 at 8:59 pm to Pavoloco83
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Dude hit the perfect storm with Gus and Cam and Fairley etc. He did a MARVELOUS job of navigating the 180K shite storm. Amazing in fact. However, once the perfect storm moved on, he had small idea of how to replicate the results with more ordinary players and without his magic man OC.
That is a very good explanation of what I think happened. I believe he would have figured it out but it would have taken some time and we would have had to remove some asst coaches
Posted on 8/3/15 at 9:30 pm to LanierSpots
quote:Not a chance. Once he went 3-9 there was no turning around until he was fired. I would hate to see the 2013 result had he remained head coach.
I believe he would have figured it out
As if losing to Alabama 49-0 in Tuscaloosa was bad enough.. It would've been 49-0 at home in 2013 under Chizik.
Posted on 8/3/15 at 9:34 pm to LanierSpots
frick this whole fricking thread.
Posted on 8/3/15 at 9:48 pm to Weagle25
Interestingly enough, GC attributed the poor defensive play to CGM's style of offense.
CGM has the program on the right track.
CGM has the program on the right track.
Posted on 8/4/15 at 8:54 am to RockyMtnTigerWDE
Seeing those pics, to state the obvious, Tre was a beast. He plain bust out in the LSU game. I haven't seen that kind of effort or guts out of an AU back since......I don't remember. I think Tre goes all out for the Rams this year.
Posted on 8/4/15 at 8:56 am to freemanjiro
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I think Tre goes all out for the Rams this year.
But Gurley
Posted on 8/4/15 at 9:10 am to LanierSpots
Like him as a person and as a DC, but glad to see him in the rear view mirror as coach.
Posted on 8/4/15 at 9:27 am to NorthGwinnettTiger
He became the 5-19 coach we hired. Iowa State was bad, and got worse when Chizik was there. We ignored the red flags when Iowa State fans were glad he left and Paul Rhodes talked about how bad the fundamentals were when he arrived the year Chizik left. Auburn hired a dud who struck lightning in a bottle for one year.
I also think the praise he gets for navigating the team in 2010 is overblown. It's much harder to keep your team focused when they're being praised by the media and everyone around them. Not so much when it's a "us against the world" situation, which is exactly what 2010 was.
I also think the praise he gets for navigating the team in 2010 is overblown. It's much harder to keep your team focused when they're being praised by the media and everyone around them. Not so much when it's a "us against the world" situation, which is exactly what 2010 was.
Posted on 8/4/15 at 9:27 am to NorthGwinnettTiger
Speaking of former coaches, how about Paul Rhoads at ISU? For all the shite talking he did when he first got there.
7-6
5-7
6-7
6-7
3-9
2-10
7-6
5-7
6-7
6-7
3-9
2-10
Posted on 8/4/15 at 9:35 am to NorthGwinnettTiger
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Paul Rhoads
quote:Looks familiar...
3-9
2-10
Posted on 8/4/15 at 9:53 am to FearlessFreep
Posted on 8/4/15 at 10:05 am to Weagle25
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Also, Chizik was a defensive minded guy coming in but we never saw any results on that side of the ball besides Fairley and Bynes in 2010.
God I wish we had a Bynes type LB on the roster still.
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