re: What are we doing, seriously?????

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This is a load of shite. Freeze had one big season at Liberty

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You are absolutely deranged if you think Sumrall’s record at Troy+Tulane is significantly better than Hugh’s at Arkansas State+Liberty…

All while each were HCs at mid-majors…

Record vs Power 5, Top 25 Opponents:
Freeze: 0-3 (lost on avg by 20 pts)
Sumrall: 0-2 (lost on avg by 32 pts)

Record vs Power 5 teams not ranked:
Freeze: 4-8 (avg -1.8 pts)
Sumrall: 2-5 (avg -6.4 pts)

Record vs Ranked Mid-Majors:
Freeze: 1-1 (avg -12.5 pts)
Sumrall: 0-2 (avg -15.5 pts)

Record vs Unranked Mid-Majors:
Freeze: 39-7 (avg +15.3 pts)
Sumrall 36-2 (avg +17.4 pts)

Sumrall has performed slightly better against the lower tier mid-majors, but Freeze had more success in the bigger games against ranked opponents and/or Power Programs.

The point is their records are very much in line.

Y’all acting like bringing in Sumrall is the panacea to all of our woes is laughable.

At least Freeze had shown he could win in the SEC. In five seasons at Ole Miss he won 9 games against ranked opponents.

Freeze Record at Ole Miss:
Record vs Ranked SEC teams: 6-16
Record vs Other SEC teams: 13-5
Record vs Ranked OOC teams: 3-3
Record vs unranked OOC teams: 17-1

In 5 seasons at Ole Miss, Freeze lost one game to an OOC opponent that wasn’t ranked… and that’s after taking over an absolute shitshow of a program run into the ground by Orgeron, Matt Luke, etc.

All of yall trying to rewrite history and pretend Freeze didn’t have a solid resume is laughable. His overall resume runs circles around some of these mid-major guys yall are enamored with at the moment.

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Gus was here for 8 seasons and went south shortly after the first year.

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LOL! Pretty easy not to go “south” when you win the SEC and play for a national title in Year 1.

In his final two seasons at Auburn… the ones that got him fired… He was:

13-1 against unranked opponents including a 10-1 record in SEC play against conference opponents that finished outside the Top 25.

In those Final two seasons he was 2-8 against ranked opponents. THAT is the reason you guys ran him off.

He beat the Final AP #5 team, Oregon and the Final #8 Alabama both in 2019.

His losses…

#1 LSU (2019)
#1 Alabama (2020)
#4 Georgia (2019)
#4 Texas A&M (2020)
#6 Florida (2019)
#7 Georgia (2020)
#10 Minnesota (2019)
#10 Northwestern (2020)

The man lost eight games ALL AGAINST FINAL TOP 10 OPPONENTS… he went 15-1 in all other games including wins over Top 5 Oregon and #8 Bama in the Iron Bowl, and you guys ran him off so that you could get us to where we are now. You can kindly sit this one out now based on your track record.

My God I’d love to be back to where we were in 2019 and 2020.

The real kicker is that things were not getting worse. The real lull in the Malzahn years was the final few games of 2014 through 2016. From 2017-2020, Auburn was actually really good. We just played an insanely difficult schedule.

Now here we are again… program moving in the right direction, beating Baylor in Waco by two touchdowns… taking care of business against mid-majors… and we just so happen to play the most difficult 4-game stretch of any team in the nation, losing by only 23 combined points in regulation, and yall are ready to repeat the same mistakes all over again.

Our fan base deserves everything that comes our way.

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The man lost eight games ALL AGAINST FINAL TOP 10 OPPONENTS… he went 15-1 in all other games including wins over Top 5 Oregon and #8 Bama in the Iron Bowl, and you guys ran him off so that you could get us to where we are now. You can kindly sit this one out now based on your track record.

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I’ve stayed on the sideline, but now
I’m going to chime in.


Do you not remember how ANEMIC Gus’s offense was? Run ball up then middle, run, pass punt.

Teams were guessing the plays before it was snapped. The Whirlybird gimmick to try to get a spark?

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My God I’d love to be back to where we were in 2019 and 2020.

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We are right back where we were. Unable to field an offense when our defense has been good enough to get us to the playoffs. Several years now.


It’s time for change, and with that.. I think we need to to Defense minded coach, or hire a coach just to be a CEO, and oversee Cruiting.

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Freeze had SEC HC experience and was deemed overall successful.

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By whom?

6-6 1st yr
7-6 with bowl
7-5 2nd yr (signed #5 class)
8-5 with bowl
9-3 3rd yr
9-4 Blown out by TCU in peach bowl
9-3 4th yr
10-3 with Bowl
Then the scandal hit...
5-7 5th yr

Liberty
8-5
10-1
8-5
8-4

Please point out the great success?

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Considering Kiffin turned us down, Freeze was the best option on the table at that time.

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bullshite from the top of my head
Jeff Brohm
Curt Cignetti
Brent Key (although he was at GTech as interim)

I am sure there are more but it is argumentative that Freeze was the best available.

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How many fluke events got us to the Title game?

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His best argument is probably Gus's sheer luck that would've dented those miserable record books even more is better than Freeze's target on his back.

Beat Arkansas primarily due to an illegal backwards spike.
Beat Ole Miss because we literally broke their best receiver's leg at the goal line.
Beat LSU because the clock already went to zero.
Beat Georgia primarily because of a tipped pass (not because we were once up big and clearly better)
Beat Vanderbilt because an unhealthy Sean White was still able to take over for JF3 and save the day.

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this is the point of the argument where you state emphatically that the guy who’s record as an HC is 21-23 since 2022 “runs circles around” the guy who’s 44-11 over the same time frame

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Can't convince some people. I wanted Cignetti instead of Freeze. He had a solid track record at turning around programs and winning. Didn't take him long.

But to compare these coaches at smaller schools at different times (NIL vs Non NIL) is not fair. Some schools don't put much money into their programs compared to other schools. Another factor that needs to be looked at with coaches. Did they win with less money? How did they do it? etc. Really look at them & you will know which are just smoke & which are substance. Either way Freeze has thawed & needs to go. Don't care if they keep him until the buyout shrinks later on but he needs to go & they had better figure out who is next.

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In his final two seasons at Auburn… the ones that got him fired… He was:

13-1 against unranked opponents including a 10-1 record in SEC play against conference opponents that finished outside the Top 25.

In those Final two seasons he was 2-8 against ranked opponents. THAT is the reason you guys ran him off.

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He was the 7th highest paid coach in the nation. He had a losing record against Alabama, losing record against Georgia, losing record against LSU, even against A&M, a losing record against top 25 opponents, his recruiting was steadily declining, his offense was stagnant and if if wasn't for Kevin Steele, his record would have been much worse. He got nearly a decade to get the job done. He didn't. We moved on. If you assume Auburn is a perennial bottom dweller on the level of MSU or SCAR, ok. I might buy keeping Malzahn around perpetually. Auburn, however, is one of the most expensive football programs in the conference (#4 prior to Texas joining) and also top five in most expensive ticket prices in the conference. It's not a program that is going to be able to cruise on stagnant 7 and 8 win seasons perpetually. The demand to fire Tuberville for being a "mediocre 8 win coach" went on for years. We moved on from him and won a ring. Why is Malzahn due special treatment?

I'm not sure I understand your ongoing point in this thread. Yes, we took a risk firing Malzahn just like every team takes a risk trying to breathe new life and excitement into a stagnant program. Harsin was a miserable failure and poorly thought out hire. It's hard to understand how due diligence could have been done on the man that didn't reveal his contempt for recruiting, selling the program and courting boosters. We turned around and took an even bigger risk hiring Freeze, a guy who was in demand by no one. The risk was deemed worth it for his recruiting skills and offensive potential. He delivered on one. The other has been a catastrophic failure. So yes, we now face taking another risk... just like Florida will, just like Penn State will, just like FSU will, just like any number of P5 teams with championships on their resume will take on average probably every 4 to 6 years.

So what?

Now do our offensive rankings.

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Coach Record Against Saban Notable Matches
Joe Tiller 3-0 Purdue vs. Michigan State (1997-1999)
Tom Osborne 2-0 Nebraska vs. Michigan State (1995-1996)
Hayden Fry 2-0 Iowa vs. Michigan State (1995-1996)
Steve Spurrier 3-1 Florida vs. LSU (2000-2001)
Lloyd Carr 3-2 Michigan vs. Michigan State (1995-1999)
Barry Alvarez 2-1 Wisconsin vs. Michigan State (1995-1999)
Tommy Tuberville 4-3 Auburn vs. LSU (2000-2008)

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Your list just gives credibility to the criteria of having beat Saban.
With the exception of Lloyd Carr and Tuberville, all are legendary names.
And Car and Tuberville basically won national championships.

So yeah, if a guy can beat Saban, hire him.