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re: Watching the Liberty game....
Posted on 9/24/21 at 11:32 pm to jangalang
Posted on 9/24/21 at 11:32 pm to jangalang
quote:You do realize that that Syracuse is a P5 team right? And this game was in the Carrier Dome. Are you old enough to remember Auburn getting their arse beat up there. I am! Liberty? LOL! That's a perennial cupcake! Before Freeze and Willis got there, they are who everyone scheduled as the homecoming opponent.
His passing game isn’t strong by any stretch of the imagination though. He plays for Liberty and this game was against Syracuse.
Kills me that this kid wanted nothing but to be an Auburn Tiger and never got a fair shot. Auburn was his dream school, too. What could've been.
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Posted on 9/24/21 at 11:54 pm to TheJones
quote:Makes you wonder. Local kid around here, grew up an Auburn fan. Wasn't recruited by Auburn......He's a 3rd year NFL player now.
Yes. The only guy Auburn ever passed on
Posted on 9/25/21 at 12:04 am to greygoose
Lamar Jackson was recruited by Auburn. I’m not sure I’d call Miami “local” but you’re being weird tonight so it makes sense
-Jackson
Jackson said he wanted to play in a pro offense. Said he liked Petrino. He wasn’t coming to Auburn, likely no matter how hard Auburn tried. Same story played out with a other QB, Jawon Pass, who actually was local.
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"I wanted to be in a pro-style system, not just a—how should I say it?—pistol or spread all the time," Jackson says (as diplomatically as possible).
-Jackson
Jackson said he wanted to play in a pro offense. Said he liked Petrino. He wasn’t coming to Auburn, likely no matter how hard Auburn tried. Same story played out with a other QB, Jawon Pass, who actually was local.
Posted on 9/25/21 at 12:33 am to TheJones
quote:I'm not talking about Lamar jackson, Asshat. I live in Alabama. Do you really think I talking Miami, when I say "local kid"?
Lamar Jackson was recruited by Auburn. I’m not sure I’d call Miami “local” but you’re being weird tonight so it makes sense
The point is, we focused on the wrong type of player when Gus was calling the shots. Passed over guys who wanted to come here, for Calvin Ashley's and such. Lamar Jackson would've jumped at an offer from Auburn over fricking Louisville, no doubt. Guess it worked out for him. Now we are about to see another kid, WHO WAS ON OUR DAMN ROSTER, is about to be drafted higher than the 5* we committed hitched our wagon to. Funny thing is, HE PLAYS FOR frickING LIBERTY!!. Couldn't make up this shite if I tried.
Posted on 9/25/21 at 12:52 am to AUtigR24
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. i'll never forgive Willis for taking a sack in the endzone on read option.
I am pretty sure that was Gatewood. The end crashed and instead of handing it off he got his dick knocked in the dirt right where he stood.
Posted on 9/25/21 at 12:54 am to greygoose
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I remember a whole bunch of people saying the same thing about Lamar Jackson, another guy Auburn passed on.
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Local kid around here, grew up an Auburn fan. Wasn't recruited by Auburn......He's a 3rd year NFL player now.
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I'm not talking about Lamar jackson, Asshat.
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Lamar Jackson would've jumped at an offer from Auburn over fricking Louisville, no doubt.
These are your quotes
Who else are you talking about? Lamar Jackson may have been lowly rated but he had offers from UGA, Clemson, Ohio State, UF, Auburn, and so on offer list. He wanted to play for Petrino (I provided the quote from the guy himself:)
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"I wanted to be in a pro-style system, not just a—how should I say it?—pistol or spread all the time," Jackson says (as diplomatically as possible).
and he wasn’t excited about Gus’s offense or any other spread offense and it worked out well for him. He made the correct decision.
Is what it is but Auburn and Lamar Jackson were never a match. Jawon “Puma” Pass followed him and another local guy, Malik Cunningham, did the same. He would’ve been great with Gus but it wasn’t going to happen
Posted on 9/25/21 at 6:06 am to greygoose
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You do realize that that Syracuse is a P5 team right? And this game was in the Carrier Dome. Are you old enough to remember Auburn getting their arse beat up there. I am! Liberty? LOL! That's a perennial cupcake! Before Freeze and Willis got there, they are who everyone scheduled as the homecoming opponent.
Looks like Syracuse has the 69th ranked class right now. That sounds about right since they have a good coach. And Syracuse is two steps above Liberty who has the 112th ranked signing class.
“They also said Lamar Jackson wouldn’t make it in the league.” Lamar is a freak athlete. He runs and throws better than Nick did.
Nick was a better runner and had a better deep bomb than Malik and didn’t make it in the league. Malik has the edge on intermediate passing but still has a weird throw to me. Maybe you should just use your eyes and stop acting like an unhinged fanboy.
This post was edited on 9/25/21 at 6:24 am
Posted on 9/25/21 at 6:48 am to greygoose
Back to the OP:
I agree with you.
You better apologize for this blasphemy and recognize the extreme greatness of #14.
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He, #2 and #34 are the only 3 players I refuse to compare with anyone else.
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Me thinks if Gus had pulled his head out of his arse, and used Malik Willis like Nick Marshall, Gus would still be the head coach at Auburn.
I agree with you.
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Willis may be better than Marshall,
You better apologize for this blasphemy and recognize the extreme greatness of #14.
He, #2 and #34 are the only 3 players I refuse to compare with anyone else.
Posted on 9/25/21 at 10:29 am to greygoose
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Lamar Jackson would've jumped at an offer from Auburn over fricking Louisville, no doubt
That literally the opposite of what actually happened. What are you talking about?
Posted on 9/25/21 at 10:49 am to SECdragonmaster
Marshall was not an accurate passer. Nobody else wanted him to play QB except Gus. Ironic when the same people that worship him and talk shite about another kid.
Posted on 9/25/21 at 10:56 am to kung fu kenny
quote:And almost forgotten amongst all those amazing performances running the read option late in 2013, was this gem.
Nick Marshall was a wizard and will never be rivaled in Auburn lore. He gave us some of the best memories and performances we will likely ever see from an Auburn QB, and I’m not exaggerating.
Dude had nerves of steel.
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quote:Watch the above linked video and say that.
Marshall was not an accurate passer.
This post was edited on 9/25/21 at 10:58 am
Posted on 9/25/21 at 10:57 am to IAmNERD
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That literally the opposite of what actually happened. What are you talking about?
He was being recruited as a WR/ATH and he wanted to play QB.
He says now (after the fact) that he wanted to play in a more Pro Style system (ie: Louisville), but had Gus offered and recruited him as a QB, it's unlikely that he would have still signed with Louisville. The point is that we never recruited him as a QB.
Posted on 9/25/21 at 11:04 am to greygoose
Malik will get drafted by an NFL team as a QB. That should settle the debate.
I disagree that he would have saved Gus's job. Gus didn't know how to develop Malik; if he did, he'd have started over Bo.
I disagree that he would have saved Gus's job. Gus didn't know how to develop Malik; if he did, he'd have started over Bo.
Posted on 9/25/21 at 11:04 am to FearlessFreep
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Watch the above linked video and say that.
Sammie Coates would agree with me. Marshall overthrew him every game, and he’d be wide open. That wasn’t Marshall’s game though. He was a dynamic runner, and Gus utilized it. He got fired because he quit using the QB run.
Posted on 9/25/21 at 11:05 am to jangalang
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Nick was a better runner and had a better deep bomb than Malik and didn’t make it in the league.
These are both incredibly wrong.
Malik Willis is very likely faster than Nick Marshall and is easily as good if not a better runner. Let's not forget one important caveat: Marshall was running the QB-read with Tre Mason and one of the most overpowered run blocking attacks (Greg Robinson and Jay Prosch) in the past decade. He was a good runner, but you're out of your mind if you think that Willis couldn't do the same - watch his highlights, he is a freakishly good runner.
Marshall also doesn't have a better deep ball. Malik Willis has arguably the best arm in this class, hence why he's a potential 1st round pick despite being raw as a passer.
I understand the lore and importance of Nick Marshall to Auburn fans, but some of you need to realize that not only did zero NFL teams have interest in even giving him a shot at playing QB, but he didn't even get that opportunity in the CFL either. Malik Willis is and WILL be drafted into the NFL as a QB. All of the qualities that Marshall had (running and deep-ball) are strengths for Willis, but he is more refined and a more natural passer as a whole.
Posted on 9/25/21 at 11:07 am to metafour
That's not how I remember it (not saying it didn't happen). I know he was excited and even tweeted out something like "This is the offer I've been waiting on" and moved on when Tyler fricking Queen gave his commitment.
Kinda the same situation with the guy who ended up at VaTech because Gus took on JF3 before him.
I realize these coaches can't sit back and wait on these kids to make up their minds, but just those two examples seem to be jumping at the first one to show some attention.
Kinda the same situation with the guy who ended up at VaTech because Gus took on JF3 before him.
I realize these coaches can't sit back and wait on these kids to make up their minds, but just those two examples seem to be jumping at the first one to show some attention.
Posted on 9/25/21 at 12:10 pm to jvilletiger25
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Marshall was not an accurate passer.
GET OUT
Posted on 9/25/21 at 12:13 pm to AUDevil
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Malik will get drafted by an NFL team as a QB. That should settle the debate.
i don't even remember what we were debating in this thread anymore... was it Gus should've started Malik or that Malik is better than Nick?
Posted on 9/25/21 at 12:19 pm to metafour
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Malik Willis is very likely faster than Nick Marshall
Lol nope. Not as elusive. Couldn’t do RPOs. Fumbles a lot.
NOPE
Posted on 9/25/21 at 1:07 pm to metafour
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Malik Willis is very likely faster than Nick Marshall and is easily as good if not a better runner. Let's not forget one important caveat: Marshall was running the QB-read with Tre Mason and one of the most overpowered run blocking attacks (Greg Robinson and Jay Prosch) in the past decade. He was a good runner, but you're out of your mind if you think that Willis couldn't do the same - watch his highlights, he is a freakishly good runner.
Marshall also doesn't have a better deep ball. Malik Willis has arguably the best arm in this class, hence why he's a potential 1st round pick despite being raw as a passer.
I understand the lore and importance of Nick Marshall to Auburn fans, but some of you need to realize that not only did zero NFL teams have interest in even giving him a shot at playing QB, but he didn't even get that opportunity in the CFL either. Malik Willis is and WILL be drafted into the NFL as a QB. All of the qualities that Marshall had (running and deep-ball) are strengths for Willis, but he is more refined and a more natural passer as a whole.
To be honest and to not split hairs, They are pretty similar in elusiveness, speed, and arm strengh and accuracy.
To say WIllis is more accurate is easy to see when you look at his stats, but Marshall was not too far behind.
I will also say that running a RPO system under Freeze is better for QBs than learning and passing under Gus.
But I read an article that charted every one of Willis' throws last year, and said he charted only a 61.87 on target % which put him in the class with Sam Ehlinger and Jamie Newman. And compare WIllis to Fields and Lawrence who were over 80%.
Willis may be a first round draft pick, and with how weak the overall QB class of 2022 is, that's not saying much.
I also think Marshall coming out of college when there were not many RPO QBs being drafted if any, until Lamar Jackson, and Watson came out and showed they could be successful run/pass QBs..
But Willis is still being asked to operate as an RPO QB with very little passing decisions he has to make.
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