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re: The QB Thread : Dual Threat or Pocket Passer?
Posted on 5/14/18 at 9:27 am to thirdlawson
Posted on 5/14/18 at 9:27 am to thirdlawson
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So with that said....
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Posted on 5/14/18 at 9:29 am to thirdlawson
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Stidham needs to cut down on the fumbling DRASTICALLY, especially in the red zone
Needs to learn how to throw people open too instead of holding onto the ball until someone is wide open.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 9:32 am to GoCrazyAuburn
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Needs to learn how to throw people open too i
He could throw it away more. But Stidham is an awesome QB. Our intermediate and short route passing scheme isn't very creative. A lot screens followed by deep developing routes.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 9:33 am to Rhino5
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He could throw it away more. But Stidham is an awesome QB. Our intermediate and short route passing scheme isn't very creative. A lot screens followed by deep developing routes.
Very true. There are still plenty of time when guys are running an in route or drag route that if Stidham would just throw it to a spot and let them make a play on the ball, that would create the separation they need.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 9:39 am to Rhino5
I said in the Jarrett Stidham vs DT thread, pinned at the top of this board, could learn and be given the routes to throw to like Peyton Manning did he could be lethal.
Peyton was slow as molasses and had weaknesses on his OL all the time, but the man had a hair trigger release with pass routes designed for quick execution. He also had great ability to place the ball where the receiver will be.
Go watch Peyton's tape and what Go Crazy is saying just above me. If Stidham can learn anticipation of where the receiver will end up he could be money. That takes hours and hours of preparation, trust, and precision which he has proven to possess.
Peyton was slow as molasses and had weaknesses on his OL all the time, but the man had a hair trigger release with pass routes designed for quick execution. He also had great ability to place the ball where the receiver will be.
Go watch Peyton's tape and what Go Crazy is saying just above me. If Stidham can learn anticipation of where the receiver will end up he could be money. That takes hours and hours of preparation, trust, and precision which he has proven to possess.
This post was edited on 5/14/18 at 9:47 am
Posted on 5/14/18 at 9:54 am to thirdlawson
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You can win with either, but AUBURN WINS MORE with this...
Defenses have caught up with THAT version of the Gus offense. It won't work anymore. You can spout off about it until you're blue in the face that our best success happened with it, but it doesn't work anymore in that form.
Gus would have to create a completely new offense that incorporates more RPOs with the zone read. QBs who are elite athletes that can accurately deliver balls on time and to the WRs, quickly, certainly won't be easy to find. I'd love to have a dual threat guy, but not at the expense of inaccurate passing, anymore.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 9:56 am to thirdlawson
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Stidham needs to cut down on the fumbling DRASTICALLY, especially in the red zone
That and pocket presence. Both were horrible last year.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 10:48 am to WareagleKK
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Defenses have caught up with THAT version of the Gus offense. It won't work anymore. You can spout off about it until you're blue in the face that our best success happened with it, but it doesn't work anymore in that form.
I couldn't disagree more...
We haven't run that version of the offense since 2014. That offense was pretty good at worst.
Last I remember, We put up over 600 yards and 44 points on Bama. Then Jeremy Johnson happened.
Matter of fact...how many long runs did Malik Willis break this season running the zone read?
Posted on 5/14/18 at 10:53 am to thirdlawson
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I couldn't disagree more...
Yep, KK thinks White was a DT.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 10:54 am to thirdlawson
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Matter of fact...how many long runs did Malik Willis break this season running the zone read?
This is a curious one, because the second half of the season, he was pretty ineffective. Though, I'm betting most of that had to do with the fact that everybody knew he wasn't going to throw the ball. That is the problem you can get into. Defenses have figured out the zone read enough that if they don't trust your passing ability, they can completely shut it down now.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 11:00 am to TigerPaw1
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Didn't say he was better just that would have been nice if he got to run behind that monster run blocking force like Mason did instead of our shitfest last year
Actually, if I had to rank the backs of the last 12 years or so, Id go
Mason
Omac
K. Johnson
K Irons
I think a lot of people forget how damn good Omac was and how many big plays he made for us. Tons of respect for him
This post was edited on 5/14/18 at 11:01 am
Posted on 5/14/18 at 11:08 am to LanierSpots
I just was not fair how fast Omac was. The inverted veer with him and Cam was lethal.
This post was edited on 5/14/18 at 11:09 am
Posted on 5/14/18 at 11:23 am to thirdlawson
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Matter of fact...how many long runs did Malik Willis break this season running the zone read?
He showed some flashes of what some of us want. I just dont feel with the role he is playing, you can get any kind of feel, good or bad, on him. He is playing when everyone knows he is not gonna throw it and he is playing typically with all back ups
Look at the pass he made, that he probably was not suppose to make, at the end fo the UGA game. That was a thing of beauty.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 11:43 am to LanierSpots
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He showed some flashes of what some of us want. I just dont feel with the role he is playing, you can get any kind of feel, good or bad, on him. He is playing when everyone knows he is not gonna throw it and he is playing typically with all back ups
They know he's not gonna throw but he's still breaking off 60 yd runs
Posted on 5/14/18 at 12:40 pm to LanierSpots
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Actually, if I had to rank the backs of the last 12 years or so, Id go
Mason
Omac
K. Johnson
K Irons
Ben Tate would be on the short list also.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 12:41 pm to thirdlawson
Stidham fits perfectly with our strengths and weaknesses on offense heading into the season. For this year, I wouldn't want anybody but Studham.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 2:32 pm to BowlJackson
In the current system and roster I agree
I think he can be great. We can be very good with him. But there is no proof we can get another guy who has his skill set. Then it really gets hard.
I’m just a running qb guy with Gus. Takes so much pressure off the play calling and gives the QB a chance to break the defense down due to the numbers.
I think he can be great. We can be very good with him. But there is no proof we can get another guy who has his skill set. Then it really gets hard.
I’m just a running qb guy with Gus. Takes so much pressure off the play calling and gives the QB a chance to break the defense down due to the numbers.
This post was edited on 5/14/18 at 2:54 pm
Posted on 5/14/18 at 2:38 pm to LanierSpots
All things being equal...wouldn't you always want a guy who can run and throw vs a pocket passer?
The problem is guys that run well and throw good enough are in short supply. The running well part IMO covered a lot of flaws on our OL. The back 7 in a D couldn't over commit to the run. The outside contain couldn't over commit to the inside run or pass rush if contain fell to a outside backer or end. Essentially a running QB makes it easier to block with a less talented OL. The D can't react as quickly giving the OL a split second or second and a half to get on their down field blocks. It also makes it easier to attack passing down field cause it freezes the pass rush.
The problem is guys that run well and throw good enough are in short supply. The running well part IMO covered a lot of flaws on our OL. The back 7 in a D couldn't over commit to the run. The outside contain couldn't over commit to the inside run or pass rush if contain fell to a outside backer or end. Essentially a running QB makes it easier to block with a less talented OL. The D can't react as quickly giving the OL a split second or second and a half to get on their down field blocks. It also makes it easier to attack passing down field cause it freezes the pass rush.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 2:56 pm to LanierSpots
quote:LOL at Omac being on your list of top running backs over the past dozen years
Omac
K. Johnson
K Irons
Posted on 5/14/18 at 2:57 pm to Tigerman97
I’d love a guy who can do both. I’d like a 12” penis too but that ship has sailed
If I had to choose, I’d rather have a offense that had a mobile qb who can pass well enough to keep the defense honest over a offense that relies on the qb to pass all day and receivers to catch consistently. Oh and offensive line guys who don’t allow 12 sacks a game when it counts.
If I had to choose, I’d rather have a offense that had a mobile qb who can pass well enough to keep the defense honest over a offense that relies on the qb to pass all day and receivers to catch consistently. Oh and offensive line guys who don’t allow 12 sacks a game when it counts.
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