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re: The problem with the 4th and 31 defensive play call
Posted on 11/26/23 at 3:28 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
Posted on 11/26/23 at 3:28 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
Asking the DBs to cover sideline to sideline is not that big of a deal especially when you have numbers (our 8 DBs to their 5 or 6 wr) and it’s only the end zone they have to cover. I would’ve called a similar play. Get you and 7 of you buddies to stand in the end zone and see how little space is left…….we’re giving these players a pass and putting too much on Roberts which held a good Alabama team to 27 points even after a bad muffed punt.
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Posted on 11/26/23 at 3:30 pm to Etowah
The events following the bad muffed punt occurred only because of the 20 yard snap and giving up a 3rd and 20 to a near clean conversion.
Posted on 11/26/23 at 3:31 pm to jangalang
It's wild we let them convert a 3rd and 20 and 4th and 31 in the same game losing series
Posted on 11/26/23 at 3:44 pm to RandySavage
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It's wild we let them convert a 3rd and 20
He was short. They picked up 1st down on 4th down.
Posted on 11/26/23 at 3:48 pm to RandySavage
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It's wild we let them convert a 3rd and 20 and 4th and 31 in the same game losing series
It is even more wild that people like Etowah is using that series of events to justify Roberts' performance as DC.
People hated Mason and he gave up like 10 points in 4th quarters.
Posted on 11/26/23 at 4:12 pm to LanierSpots
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Before yesterday , 4th and more than 30 was 0-90.
Technically, I suppose, but there's a distinction without a difference. Or much of one.
AU 4th & 18 vs uga - 74 yr TD
bama 2nd & 26 vs uga - 41 yr TD (last play)
Hell, going back to Doug Flutie vs Miami, there's been a number of 'miracle' TD passes.
But still, worst D call ever.
Posted on 11/26/23 at 4:33 pm to WarCamEagle
Watch it again. There were three linemen there. They were running out of gas.
Posted on 11/26/23 at 4:41 pm to IAmNERD
No one is arguing it was defended well, but those guys never should have been put in the position to have to defend that long. Like someone posted last night, this isnt hindsight either as soon as our defensive alignment was revealed there was serious concern from everyone. Especially when the play started and one of the guys just stood there doing absolutely nothing.
Posted on 11/26/23 at 4:41 pm to bluedragon
The thing is, we really rushed 0. Asante looked like he was spying the QB and the other 2 looked like they were just in straight contain. I guess the goal was to make him throw from the pocket but it’s actually to your advantage that he has to choose one side of the field there
Posted on 11/26/23 at 5:04 pm to bluedragon
3 there, 2 playing pattycake with 5 linemen, and the 3rd doing absolutely nothing.
Posted on 11/26/23 at 5:24 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
3rd dline was spying which I don’t understand. Hindsight the only way to stop that was by forcing a rushed pass.
Watching the video from the end zone, DJ played it well. Not sure what DJ could have done as he turned his head back and was in good pos until….. The receiver made a good play getting separation on the jump and it was a perfect pass.
Watching the video from the end zone, DJ played it well. Not sure what DJ could have done as he turned his head back and was in good pos until….. The receiver made a good play getting separation on the jump and it was a perfect pass.
Posted on 11/27/23 at 4:40 pm to Scoper
If you want to devise a defense to give the offense the greatest chance to success on that down and distance, the rush 2 and spy the 3rd might only be topped by a blitz 11 leave everyone wide open coverage.
From the 31 yard line Milrose has the arm talent that all parts of the field is in play with velocity and accuracy. This isn't the same situation where the goal line is so far away you have to chuck it in the air and everyone has a chance to converge.
By rushing only 2 and allowing the QB all the time in the world to stand in the middle of the field and scan the defense, all you've done is give the offense sufficient time to break down coverage. You can't cover everyone forever and the longer the offense has to break down coverage the greater chance someone gets open or a penalty happens resulting in an automatic first down.
The spy? One of the most idiotic decisions I've ever seen defensively. You WANT him to run in that situation. Spy is a wasted player and gives the offense a 2 man advantage in protection. You need the rush to limit the amount of time the QB has to make a decision. If you are going to rush just 3, overload one side to force the QB to one side and compress the field an give your rushers a better chance of breaking down protection. Or perhaps a TEX on one side trying to free up a rusher to pressure the QB. YOu don't need a sack you just need to have just enough pressure to make the QB move off his box want to get rid of the ball before coverage breaks down. Want a spy? You have a 3 man advantage in the back end there should be a couple of DB's watching the QB anyways.
From a dead stop it takes ~3 seconds to run 20 yards. At this 3 second mark the underneath coverage is in phase with the receivers and the 3 deep safeties have over the top leverage. Those 3 DB's with their feet on the goal line have all the advantage with their leverage over the top and all eyes on both the QB and receivers running the routes. BY the 4th second the WR's have crossed into the end zone have run into the back coverage and it's a matter of who's chess pieces are in the right position and if one chess pieces can make a special individual play v the ones on the board by the D. After 5+ seconds the DB's are now in chase mode. DB's drift out of zones shadowing receivers. Receivers making double and triple moves making it near impossible to keep up. YOu can't keep eyes on both the receivers and QB. Peek at the QB and you loose phase with the receiver. Half a second hesitation on a juke and you've lost phase with the receiver. The QB has the whole field in front of him with an unmolested view to see the holes in the coverage as they open and close.
From the 31 yard line Milrose has the arm talent that all parts of the field is in play with velocity and accuracy. This isn't the same situation where the goal line is so far away you have to chuck it in the air and everyone has a chance to converge.
By rushing only 2 and allowing the QB all the time in the world to stand in the middle of the field and scan the defense, all you've done is give the offense sufficient time to break down coverage. You can't cover everyone forever and the longer the offense has to break down coverage the greater chance someone gets open or a penalty happens resulting in an automatic first down.
The spy? One of the most idiotic decisions I've ever seen defensively. You WANT him to run in that situation. Spy is a wasted player and gives the offense a 2 man advantage in protection. You need the rush to limit the amount of time the QB has to make a decision. If you are going to rush just 3, overload one side to force the QB to one side and compress the field an give your rushers a better chance of breaking down protection. Or perhaps a TEX on one side trying to free up a rusher to pressure the QB. YOu don't need a sack you just need to have just enough pressure to make the QB move off his box want to get rid of the ball before coverage breaks down. Want a spy? You have a 3 man advantage in the back end there should be a couple of DB's watching the QB anyways.
From a dead stop it takes ~3 seconds to run 20 yards. At this 3 second mark the underneath coverage is in phase with the receivers and the 3 deep safeties have over the top leverage. Those 3 DB's with their feet on the goal line have all the advantage with their leverage over the top and all eyes on both the QB and receivers running the routes. BY the 4th second the WR's have crossed into the end zone have run into the back coverage and it's a matter of who's chess pieces are in the right position and if one chess pieces can make a special individual play v the ones on the board by the D. After 5+ seconds the DB's are now in chase mode. DB's drift out of zones shadowing receivers. Receivers making double and triple moves making it near impossible to keep up. YOu can't keep eyes on both the receivers and QB. Peek at the QB and you loose phase with the receiver. Half a second hesitation on a juke and you've lost phase with the receiver. The QB has the whole field in front of him with an unmolested view to see the holes in the coverage as they open and close.
Posted on 11/27/23 at 5:39 pm to attalla
quote:we call it a push off
The receiver made a good play getting separation on the jump and it was a perfect pass.
Posted on 11/27/23 at 6:27 pm to ChexMix
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we call it a push off
Whoever’s job it was to help out on coverage was probably most to blame on AU’s side, but yeah was a clear push off.
I’m not totally sure if it’s one that would normally get called but that probably speaks to just how the rules are really more of “suggestions”, especially in critical situations.
Freeze should absolutely complain to the league office about multiple no calls from that game.
Posted on 11/27/23 at 9:05 pm to StringedInstruments
So 4th and 31 aka goal to go, you would have played a regular defense. Lawd have mercy…
Posted on 11/27/23 at 9:08 pm to AUX3
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So 4th and 31 aka goal to go, you would have played a regular defense. Lawd have mercy…
………
Well what we did don’t work. So…..
Yes.
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