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Posted on 11/12/22 at 7:40 pm to ALhunter
He likes BOB.
Despite BOB’s embarrassment of riches of talent Bama had like 122 offensive yards at the half today.
Despite BOB’s embarrassment of riches of talent Bama had like 122 offensive yards at the half today.
Posted on 11/12/22 at 7:42 pm to auburnnyc94
quote:Does that change what happened on the field and on the scoreboard? BTW, his 2015 season wins were not vacated.
All the wins were forfeited from it too,
Posted on 11/12/22 at 7:49 pm to greygoose
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Does that change what happened on the field and on the scoreboard? BTW, his 2015 season wins were not vacated.
Absolutely... he had arguably better teams at OM while cheating... because of the cheating he was pulling in talent not seen previously at OM.
Note that I still think Freeze can coach well... he punches above his weight at Liberty too.
This post was edited on 11/12/22 at 7:51 pm
Posted on 11/12/22 at 7:53 pm to jangalang
quote:Confirmed. You are an idiot of the highest order.
Who has Liberty beat and lost to?
We aren't comparing Liberty to OM. The comparison is Freeze at OM vs. Kiffin at OM.
quote:Freeze beat the national champion team that consisted of Heisman winner Derrick Henry, Calvin Ridley, and Reggie Ragland. You don't think the talent deficiency was just as great in 2015 as it is in 2022? Difference is, Freeze won.....IN TUSCALOOSA!
I understand Liberty is “that’s different!” but Kiffin called a game against 25 5 stars
Posted on 11/12/22 at 7:55 pm to ALhunter
quote:Are you suggesting nobody else was paying players, just Freeze?
Absolutely... he had arguably better teams at OM while cheating
Posted on 11/12/22 at 8:02 pm to greygoose
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We aren't comparing Liberty to OM
frick that. He just lost to UConn today.
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Freeze beat the national champion team that consisted of Heisman winner Derrick Henry, Calvin Ridley, and Reggie Ragland. You don't think the talent deficiency was just as great in 2015 as it is in 2022? Difference is, Freeze won...
I mean he could lose to Auburn with ease as well. It’s not like he was some God there. I’d take Freeze too but critizing the Kiffin hire to stump for Freeze is bad.
Posted on 11/12/22 at 8:04 pm to greygoose
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Are you suggesting nobody else was paying players, just Freeze?
I'm suggesting nothing other than what I said. That OM is playing at their highest level of the past 5 decades other than a short period which was vacated for cheating. It seems like you somehow missed that qualification.
Are you suggesting this is an incorrect statement?
Here's an analogy. If I high jump 12 feet and set a world record, but it turns out I was wearing spring shoes, and that jump gets pulled and I'm no longer the world record holder, then I'm no longer the world record holder. You can argue "well other people wear weird shoes and shave their head" or whatever you want, but that jump doesn't count.
I even qualified my statement by saying "unless you count Hugh Freeze". I'm not sure what else you want.
The fact of the matter is Hugh Freeze had a huge uptick in recruiting at OM that led to strong on the field performance. Most of his wins were vacated due to cheating and that's a straight up fact. I'm not sure how else to break it down for you.
This post was edited on 11/12/22 at 8:10 pm
Posted on 11/12/22 at 8:05 pm to CorchJay
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There is also no perfect candidate. We need to look for the best candidate for Auburn.
As much as the “fit” and “culture” criticisms were raised against Harsin I don’t see how Kiffin ends up here.
Posted on 11/12/22 at 8:11 pm to jangalang
quote:Freeze is a better coach. Compare the resumes. I'd take either one over Gus and Harsin, but Freeze is better. Better coach, wants to come to Auburn, won't cost as much, better recruiter. Lot's of people are hung up on his past infidelity.
I’d take Freeze too but critizing the Kiffin hire to stump for Freeze is bad.
Posted on 11/12/22 at 8:11 pm to AUTubaHerd
I seriously doubt culture is the number one criteria. Might as well use culture and JABA interchangeably.
Caddy is a culture hire….
Caddy is a culture hire….
This post was edited on 11/12/22 at 8:13 pm
Posted on 11/12/22 at 8:15 pm to ALhunter
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That OM is playing at their highest level of the past 5 decades other than a short period which was vacated for cheating. It seems like you somehow missed that qualification.
This post was edited on 11/12/22 at 8:16 pm
Posted on 11/12/22 at 8:15 pm to Sput
OM should of won their bonehead QB got himself sacked 3 plays in a row by running into the teeth of the defense.
Posted on 11/12/22 at 8:17 pm to Scoper
The lack of a decent defense is worse than going for it on 4th and long imo.
Posted on 11/12/22 at 8:19 pm to ALhunter
quote:Again, the 2015 season wins were not vacated. And even if they were, that doesn't change the outcome of the games they played. They still won. The teams they beat didn't get to record a "win" after the fact.
'm suggesting nothing other than what I said. That OM is playing at their highest level of the past 5 decades other than a short period which was vacated for cheating. It seems like you somehow missed that qualification.
quote:He got caught. Others, like Saban, didn't. Both were doing the same thing. Oh and BTW, Kiffin was the OC of a team that not only had wins vacated, they also had a Heisman and a Natty taken away from them. You don't think KIffin was in the dark about what was going on with his star running back?
Most of his wins were vacated due to cheating and that's a straight up fact. I'm not sure how else to break it down for you.
Posted on 11/12/22 at 8:20 pm to greygoose
quote:Fortunately, Cohen is one of them.
Freeze is a better coach. Compare the resumes. I'd take either one over Gus and Harsin, but Freeze is better. Better coach, wants to come to Auburn, won't cost as much, better recruiter. Lot's of people are hung up on his past infidelity.
Posted on 11/12/22 at 8:21 pm to greygoose
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Freeze is a better coach. Compare the resumes. I'd take either one over Gus and Harsin, but Freeze is better. Better coach, wants to come to Auburn, won't cost as much, better recruiter. Lot's of people are hung up on his past infidelity.
OK there it is. Now I get it. I do not care one iota about Freeze's infidelity or the cheating for that matter as he would now have NIL to direct and get players.
I also think Freeze is a great coach and would take him or Kiffin. I think Kiffin is probably more of a "splash" hire but also more expensive. If Freeze wants $5mm/year and Kiffin wants $10mm, I think Freeze + putting the other $5mm/year to NIL can probably beat Kiffin.
Posted on 11/12/22 at 8:24 pm to AUTubaHerd
quote:Unless we locked Kiffin into a massive buyout, he'll jump shite in a few short years. What's his longest tenure at any job 4 years?
As much as the “fit” and “culture” criticisms were raised against Harsin I don’t see how Kiffin ends up here.
Posted on 11/12/22 at 8:26 pm to AUTubaHerd
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As much as the “fit” and “culture” criticisms were raised against Harsin I don’t see how Kiffin ends up here.
The two are nowhere comparable.
Wtf?
Posted on 11/12/22 at 8:26 pm to greygoose
Coaches don’t voluntarily jump ship from Auburn. Only reason why he would leave is if Bama or Ohio State wanted him. And it’s very possible Bama could eventually want him which only enforces my belief that we should get him.
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