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Setting up the next coach with the right incentives
Posted on 9/25/22 at 7:09 pm
Posted on 9/25/22 at 7:09 pm
You could make an argument that Harsin was trying his damndest to lose that game on Saturday and he even fricked that up. He gets $15M and can tell the AU admin to get fricked if he does a shitty enough job to get canned mid-season.
My question is…how do we set up future coaches so they have the right incentives to do the right things to build a program rather than what it is now…which is basically, “give it a shot and if it doesn’t work out, I get rich and gtfo”? In other words, in the current contract he is almost incentivized to fail. how do we change that?
My question is…how do we set up future coaches so they have the right incentives to do the right things to build a program rather than what it is now…which is basically, “give it a shot and if it doesn’t work out, I get rich and gtfo”? In other words, in the current contract he is almost incentivized to fail. how do we change that?
Posted on 9/25/22 at 7:10 pm to TailbackU
You don’t, you pay a lot of money for a very good coach. That’s the only way to get good and stay good.
Posted on 9/25/22 at 7:22 pm to TailbackU
You see, there’s this guy named Jimmy Sexton….
Posted on 9/25/22 at 7:25 pm to TailbackU
The market doesn’t go for an incentives based contract in coaching. Pony up.
Posted on 9/25/22 at 7:51 pm to Rig
Paying above market rate salary in lieu of a big buyout package makes financial sense if you ask me.
Posted on 9/25/22 at 8:08 pm to TailbackU
Instead of 75% guaranteed how about incentives.
$1 Million bonus for SEC Championship or #1 recruiting class
$5 Million bonus for national championship
$1 Million bonus for SEC Championship or #1 recruiting class
$5 Million bonus for national championship
Posted on 9/25/22 at 8:49 pm to TailbackU
You would probably have to pay insane numbers to get it to be non-guaranteed.
I can assure you these coaches don’t just quit. You don’t get to that level of football by having the attitude of “oh I’m getting paid either way, why try?”
He’s just not doing the job well enough but he’s trying.
I can assure you these coaches don’t just quit. You don’t get to that level of football by having the attitude of “oh I’m getting paid either way, why try?”
He’s just not doing the job well enough but he’s trying.
Posted on 9/25/22 at 8:52 pm to AubieinNC2009
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Instead of 75% guaranteed how about incentives. $1 Million bonus for SEC Championship or #1 recruiting class $5 Million bonus for national championship
That is not going to cut it at all.
Do y’all understand how contract negotiations work? We don’t get to offer anything we want.
Posted on 9/25/22 at 9:03 pm to AubieinNC2009
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Instead of 75% guaranteed how about incentives. $1 Million bonus for SEC Championship or #1 recruiting class $5 Million bonus for national championship
I’m sure you could get a shitty high school coach to agree to that
Posted on 9/25/22 at 9:32 pm to TailbackU
You'd have to negotiate with their agents. Putting (on the field) performance clauses in contracts is not really a thing right now, but it should be. Some contracts will outline monetary incentives for winning the conference or a national title, but none put a minimum limit on the amount of winning a coach must do. It's all a "good faith" type of thing, but it really needs to change because of all the money involved nowadays. A coach can literally get hired, tank everything on purpose, and walk away set for life.
I say let the first year be anything goes. Then for the 2nd year require a minimum amount of wins, then for the 3rd year, etc. Make it clear in the contract that going below that amount of wins can (but wont necessarily) result in termination for cause.
The problem is coaches who have options probably wouldn't sign such a deal, so there's that.
EDIT: As someone else said, another option is to do away with buyouts all together and pay above market rate per year (along with raises for various achievements).
I say let the first year be anything goes. Then for the 2nd year require a minimum amount of wins, then for the 3rd year, etc. Make it clear in the contract that going below that amount of wins can (but wont necessarily) result in termination for cause.
The problem is coaches who have options probably wouldn't sign such a deal, so there's that.
EDIT: As someone else said, another option is to do away with buyouts all together and pay above market rate per year (along with raises for various achievements).
This post was edited on 9/25/22 at 9:35 pm
Posted on 9/25/22 at 10:00 pm to TailbackU
There are loads of incentives written into CFB HC contracts these days, they’re just on top of exorbitantly high base salaries.
One thing I would like to see is one that OU did for Stoops back in the day: a longevity bonus, based on him still being the HC on a certain date. Keeps both sides honest: if things are going well, it’s an reward to the HC for not jumping ship, meanwhile it’s an extra incentive for the HC to keep the school and its boosters happy enough not to fire him.
Do it in lieu of a buyout clause on either side.
One thing I would like to see is one that OU did for Stoops back in the day: a longevity bonus, based on him still being the HC on a certain date. Keeps both sides honest: if things are going well, it’s an reward to the HC for not jumping ship, meanwhile it’s an extra incentive for the HC to keep the school and its boosters happy enough not to fire him.
Do it in lieu of a buyout clause on either side.
Posted on 9/25/22 at 11:01 pm to FearlessFreep
Pay top dollar just don’t go 10 Year type contracts. Go 5 years for $8m/yr for a top notch coach. 6m for an up and comer. 4m for an assistant moving to head coach.
But also include incentives like recruiting, wins, wins against rivals, sec championships, national championships. Example top 5 recruiting class gets you $1m, top 10 500k, top 15 100k.
Then work as hard as possible to get buyouts at 50% for either party school or coach.
But also include incentives like recruiting, wins, wins against rivals, sec championships, national championships. Example top 5 recruiting class gets you $1m, top 10 500k, top 15 100k.
Then work as hard as possible to get buyouts at 50% for either party school or coach.
Posted on 9/26/22 at 6:27 am to CorchJay
Its not uncommon to have Jimmy Sexton discussing the exit strategy for one coach...while negotiating for his replacement on the other line. Its a seller's market and has been for a while.
You do have to love what he negotiated for Saban, he will be the highest paid coach in college, that it. Anyone get a bump in pay past Saban....he gets a bump. A school signs an audacious contract to lure another coach....Saban gets a raise.
You do have to love what he negotiated for Saban, he will be the highest paid coach in college, that it. Anyone get a bump in pay past Saban....he gets a bump. A school signs an audacious contract to lure another coach....Saban gets a raise.
Posted on 9/26/22 at 7:41 am to trinidadtiger
I think this whole mindset of get a HC job and quit is full of flaws, mainly though setting yourself up to never have another good coaching job? who wants to do that?
Posted on 9/26/22 at 6:58 pm to wareaglepete
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Jimmy Sexton
He’s only doing what his clients tell him to do
Posted on 9/27/22 at 12:39 pm to AUstar
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I say let the first year be anything goes. Then for the 2nd year require a minimum amount of wins, then for the 3rd year, etc. Make it clear in the contract that going below that amount of wins can (but wont necessarily) result in termination for cause.
That's a good idea, but I wonder if any coach would go for that. We must get this hire right, because I don't think we can afford to fire the next guy after only 2 years (if Harsin even makes it that long) or we will sink like a stone on the CFB scene. We're down now, but we'd be down and out of sight if we screw this next one up. We may never recover.
Posted on 9/27/22 at 3:49 pm to jangalang
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Paying above market rate salary in lieu of a big buyout package makes financial sense if you ask me.
Had to check the poster before I almost accidentally upvoted this.
Posted on 9/27/22 at 4:04 pm to AUjim
Well that was mean. If you accidentally upvote you can always refresh your phone/site and proceed with the downvote.
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