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re: Right now, would you trade Freeze for....
Posted on 11/17/24 at 7:47 am to auburnnyc94
Posted on 11/17/24 at 7:47 am to auburnnyc94
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Who is calling plays next year?
Apparently, offensive minded Hugh now needs to hire a coach for that.
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Who is QB’ing?
Brand new dude from fantasy land is coming in and we going to the ship baw
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Posted on 11/17/24 at 8:04 am to LanierSpots
You carry your butt hurt around like a pretty yellow ribbon.
This post was edited on 11/17/24 at 8:08 am
Posted on 11/17/24 at 8:56 am to LanierSpots
quote:Post after post, you come off like someone cheering for things to get worse. I keep reading the same old thing,.stating our recruiting class will fall apart, and our good talent will transfer. Meanwhile, the exact opposite is happening, and your smooth brain can't fathom why some are sick of all the gloom and doom bullshite coming from our own fanbase.
Who knows, maybe I am not an Auburn fan
I don't have one problem with anybody disagreeing with me. Form your own opinion. Have at it, I'm just pointing out that your posts come off like a bammer, hoping and wishing for an Auburn crash and burn. shite gets old.
Posted on 11/17/24 at 9:08 am to greygoose
I have a beachouse in Kansas to sell you if you think he is an Auburn fan. If he was, that died years ago. Now he is a fan of being right, and Auburn perennially wrong.
Posted on 11/17/24 at 9:34 am to greygoose
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I don't have one problem with anybody disagreeing with me.
Apparently you do. Because since I didnt, I am not an Auburn fan.
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I'm just pointing out that your posts come off like a bammer, hoping and wishing for an Auburn crash and burn. shite gets old.
Sorry I dont have a lot of sunshine for you. 3 rent a wins and one conf win does not provide a lot of warmth. It's his second year and the program is receding. Is that not true?
If you cant see the concern with recruits possibly bolting, I just cant explain that to you. We all hope that doesnt happen but man look at the product. Look at what is happening around us. The concern is real and I am by far not the only one who has that concern.
No I was not necessarily on board with Hugh from the beginning but I was hoping he would come in and show some leadership. We are in year 2 now and other than a great incoming class, he really has not done a thing. Especially on the field. I asked you many posts ago to give me his best win and you have yet to do it. Surely in two years he has one. Especially with this years schedule being a little more favorable. Last year was a tougher schedule and he actually did better
Posted on 11/17/24 at 10:28 am to greygoose
No. I was a proponent of hiring Coach Prime when we hired Freeze. And we’d be in the thick of the playoff hunt right now, like Colorado is. But next year, his son and Hunter will both be in the NFL, and he will go with them. So we’d be having fun now, but right back to square 1 in a few weeks.
Posted on 11/17/24 at 10:41 am to LanierSpots
Well we keep playing musical chairs with coaches (HCs and assistants) and we keep getting the same results. Chizik was a garbage hire that just struck gold with Cam and Nick. Gus had a couple good years with Nick Marshall and Mason and then basically hit his ceiling, and Harsin didn't do anything but set the team back.
Freeze should have some slack and very few realize how bad a few years of bad level recruiting hurts offensive Lines. Freeze completely screwed up by not getting another QB in the portal but after that mistake it can't be fixed mid-season. After that he's allowed a bad call here and there and no one is perfect but at least he is recruiting off the chart for what has been on the field.
Firing him right now is only going to set us back with players leaving and this class will likely fall apart and we will be starting over with another HC and both coordinators again. There isn't a coach out there that's going to make up for all the key talent we are less and will lose and who would want to come to a program that is known for constantly firing people. Talent is a huge key to it all and he has that coming in right now. If we fire him and take another hit with talent we will be playing catch up for 3 years at least in this market.
We hired Freeze and unless we give him a full chance to get in enough talent everywhere and his own team then we will just be stuck gambling on a coordinator or small school coach that hasn't proven they are ready for the sec or can recruit (NIL or not) and make big players believe they will win and come here.
That said, if he doesn't improve noticeably next year then I would fire him and take our chances with a new coach over him turning things around.
Freeze should have some slack and very few realize how bad a few years of bad level recruiting hurts offensive Lines. Freeze completely screwed up by not getting another QB in the portal but after that mistake it can't be fixed mid-season. After that he's allowed a bad call here and there and no one is perfect but at least he is recruiting off the chart for what has been on the field.
Firing him right now is only going to set us back with players leaving and this class will likely fall apart and we will be starting over with another HC and both coordinators again. There isn't a coach out there that's going to make up for all the key talent we are less and will lose and who would want to come to a program that is known for constantly firing people. Talent is a huge key to it all and he has that coming in right now. If we fire him and take another hit with talent we will be playing catch up for 3 years at least in this market.
We hired Freeze and unless we give him a full chance to get in enough talent everywhere and his own team then we will just be stuck gambling on a coordinator or small school coach that hasn't proven they are ready for the sec or can recruit (NIL or not) and make big players believe they will win and come here.
That said, if he doesn't improve noticeably next year then I would fire him and take our chances with a new coach over him turning things around.
This post was edited on 11/17/24 at 11:33 am
Posted on 11/17/24 at 10:58 am to Rabern57
Rabern57 … I agree with nearly all of your post except for your take on Chizik. Upvoted you just the same.
Chizik rarely gets the respect that he earned at Auburn. He did a masterful job at holding that team together in the face of the hurricane of media criticism and scrutiny. In fact, I would go so far as to propose there are very few coaches that could’ve kept the team focused under such pressure.
I will be forever grateful for what Chizik gave Auburn … and the condition he left the roster in … compared to Malzahn or Harsin.
WDE
Chizik rarely gets the respect that he earned at Auburn. He did a masterful job at holding that team together in the face of the hurricane of media criticism and scrutiny. In fact, I would go so far as to propose there are very few coaches that could’ve kept the team focused under such pressure.
I will be forever grateful for what Chizik gave Auburn … and the condition he left the roster in … compared to Malzahn or Harsin.
WDE
This post was edited on 11/17/24 at 10:59 am
Posted on 11/17/24 at 11:16 am to cadillacattack
I am grateful to him for the NC team he coached but over he was underwhelming before he came and Cam, Nick, and even Gus played the biggest roles in the NC. When they were all gone the team dropped off the map and he was lost.
He never looked like a great HC without them and it made it hard to tell if he was a good HC at all. The team just felt like minus the others doing the work he would have never won 10 total games here. I like him and Gus and wish them the best. Harsin is the only one I felt just didn't do his job at all.
He never looked like a great HC without them and it made it hard to tell if he was a good HC at all. The team just felt like minus the others doing the work he would have never won 10 total games here. I like him and Gus and wish them the best. Harsin is the only one I felt just didn't do his job at all.
This post was edited on 11/17/24 at 11:36 am
Posted on 11/17/24 at 11:38 am to Rabern57
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Freeze should have some slack and very few realize how bad a few years of bad level recruiting hurts offensive Lines. Freeze completely screwed up by not getting another QB in the portal but after that mistake it can't be fixed mid-season. After that he's allowed a bad call here and there and no one is perfect but at least he is recruiting off the chart for what has been on the field.
Firing him right now is only going to set us back with players leaving and this class will likely fall apart and we will be starting over with another HC and both coordinators again. There isn't a coach out there that's going to make up for all the key talent we are less and will lose and who would want to come to a program that is known for constantly firing people. Talent is a huge key to it all and he has that coming in right now. If we fire him and take another hit with talent we will be playing catch up for 3 years at least in this market.
I agree with most of this. We cant fire him and shouldn't. But I do not give him a pass for totally screwing the pooch on game day coaching. He is not a new coach. He is not even a new SEC coach. He should be better regardless of the players. He is making poor decisions
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We hired Freeze and unless we give him a full chance to get in enough talent everywhere and his own team then we will just be stuck gambling on a coordinator or small school coach that hasn't proven they are ready for the sec or can recruit (NIL or not) and make big players believe they will win and come here.
That said, if he doesn't improve noticeably next year then I would fire him and take our chances with a new coach over him turning things around.
Agree with all this
look I totally understand greygoose's point. I do. Typically, I agree with most of his points. Just not so much on Hugh.
I get that he is tired of the gloom and doom. Hell, most of us are. But you cant just sit back and hope and pray things are going to get better when the incoming head coach has done this before and is doing it again. That was the exact same thing that happened with Harsin.
I "hope and pray" that Hugh learns how to be a better head coach. That he starts to make better decisions. More talent will make us better and win more games which is all anyone wants.
Until we start to win more games and are unable to make that next step due to an incompetent game day coach.
We certainly cant make a move now. Like our QB, he is the best we have right now.
Posted on 11/17/24 at 11:51 am to LanierSpots
quote:I don't give him a complete pass on the season of bad decisions and the team not being more disciplined (even with being young in alot of spots). He does get all the blame if he did pass on a decent portal QB this off season. I don't know who we really could have gotten. But too many either have hated him day one or just think we have the talent all around and its completely his coaching causing us to lose. It's just like everyone that blames the play on the field all on Thorne (alot is him like the OU pick 6) but there is alot of drops and penalties that take away plays he would have credit for.
I agree with most of this. We cant fire him and shouldn't. But I do not give him a pass for totally screwing the pooch on game day coaching. He is not a new coach. He is not even a new SEC coach. He should be better regardless of the players. He is making poor decisions
There is just a whole lot going on that is all mixing together to cause the bleeding that not even a HC can just fix like one would starting a job normally. Atleast he's getting talent and that's step one. If he can't fix the QB situation by next season then he won't and we might can thank him for his recruiting and bring in someone to keep the talent and start fresh and in a better position than Harsin left Freeze in starting out.
This post was edited on 11/17/24 at 11:53 am
Posted on 11/17/24 at 11:59 am to Rabern57
Freeze doesnt deserve a complete pass. He does have to get another year.
Posted on 11/17/24 at 12:07 pm to Rabern57
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That said, if he doesn't improve noticeably next year then I would fire him and take our chances with a new coach over him turning things around.
Agree with what you said and this… there has to be MAJOR improvements next year. Especially at the QB position! If not next year or the following will be his last year.
Only downside to this is he is recruiting very well, how many years does it really take with great talent
And that list sucks… I would not trade Freezus for any of those coaches listed right now.
~ss
Posted on 11/17/24 at 12:14 pm to NewYrkTiger
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No. I was a proponent of hiring Coach Prime when we hired Freeze. And we’d be in the thick of the playoff hunt right now, like Colorado is. But next year, his son and Hunter will both be in the NFL, and he will go with them. So we’d be having fun now, but right back to square 1 in a few weeks.
Posted on 11/17/24 at 12:23 pm to ShredSquatch
quote:I think a good QB could make up for some lack of talent on the line (unless the defense just flattens it every play) and especially one that makes the best decisions with the give plays called and accurate passing. We should be good at WR. The Line is the hardest to get a whole good unit.
Only downside to this is he is recruiting very well, how many years does it really take with great talent
As far as how long he has, if the team doesn't improve and starts getting beat next year like this then I don't think he will make it next year. Even if he has the #1 class committed unless its half 5*s.
This post was edited on 11/17/24 at 12:26 pm
Posted on 11/17/24 at 12:30 pm to NewYrkTiger
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No. I was a proponent of hiring Coach Prime when we hired Freeze. And we’d be in the thick of the playoff hunt right now, like Colorado is. But next year, his son and Hunter will both be in the NFL, and he will go with them. So we’d be having fun now, but right back to square 1 in a few weeks.
Maybe… but yeah we’d be looking for a new coach next year. Rather have a coach here for more than two or three years
~ss
This post was edited on 11/17/24 at 12:31 pm
Posted on 11/17/24 at 12:35 pm to ShredSquatch
Auburn is different than Colorado. If we were having his season we would be locking him down with yellawood
Posted on 11/17/24 at 12:45 pm to ShredSquatch
And prime would not stay here if FSU or Jerry called.
~ss
~ss
Posted on 11/17/24 at 7:56 pm to jangalang
My parents went to Auburn.
One of my uncles went to Auburn.
One of my brothers went to Auburn.
His wife went to Auburn.
My wife went to Auburn.
I went to Auburn.
I have a niece and a nephew at Auburn.
We have a kid likely about to go to Auburn.
So… frick you.
This coach is dogshit. We can all have an opinion on this. You can sunshine pump all you want, and that’s your right. Knock yourself out. If you think players aren’t going to defect, I think you are going to be sorely disappointed.
One of my uncles went to Auburn.
One of my brothers went to Auburn.
His wife went to Auburn.
My wife went to Auburn.
I went to Auburn.
I have a niece and a nephew at Auburn.
We have a kid likely about to go to Auburn.
So… frick you.
This coach is dogshit. We can all have an opinion on this. You can sunshine pump all you want, and that’s your right. Knock yourself out. If you think players aren’t going to defect, I think you are going to be sorely disappointed.
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