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re: New Head Coach Thread: Officially Official 2020
Posted on 12/18/20 at 10:42 am to BuckFama334
Posted on 12/18/20 at 10:42 am to BuckFama334
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Lane Kiffin has never been implicated in anything inappropriate. Yet somehow constantly gets accused of all kinds of crazy shite...
Hugh Freeze was caught red handed with the hooker thing on a university phone and freely admitted to it.
I don't understand how there is a comparison here.
They're both immature clowns (for different reasons) who would be questionable to entrust your major program to?
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Posted on 12/18/20 at 10:43 am to BuckFama334
Yeah I have zero against Napier, but didn’t know much about him, and was wondering why some are so high on him.
Posted on 12/18/20 at 10:43 am to BuckFama334
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Lane Kiffin has never been implicated in anything inappropriate. Yet somehow constantly gets accused of all kinds of crazy shite...
Hugh Freeze was caught red handed with the hooker thing on a university phone and freely admitted to it.
I don't understand how there is a comparison here.
"Never been implicated" doesn't mean that its not there. He's on the NCAA's list just like Freeze is. People know what actually goes on with these coaches behind the scenes. His drinking is a known fact; as are his "extracurricular" activities with not-his-now-(ex)-Wife.
Is your argument that as long as you don't know about it happening, its okay? Thats what it seems like you're arguing.
The point I'm making is simple: both guys carry similar problems with them. If you want to take the moral high ground on one guy, then you kinda gotta apply that logic elsewhere as well.
Posted on 12/18/20 at 10:47 am to metafour
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His drinking is a known fact; as are his "extracurricular" activities with not-his-now-(ex)-Wife.
Please link an article or this is all horseshite... Unless you are a PI employed by Layla Kiffin or something.
Posted on 12/18/20 at 10:49 am to Pettifogger
Who is your guy, Pettifogger?
Posted on 12/18/20 at 10:50 am to BuckFama334
I agree, there’s not really a comparison other than they’re both successful coaches.
I started watching the Raiders when Al gave Bo the green light to play both sports. I still have a problem getting over how that petulant, spoiled version of Kiffen behaved back in the day. Al was tough to deal with, but he also gave the kid a chance of a lifetime and he took a big dump on the franchise on his way out. The Tennessee fiasco was no surprise to me. Kiffen does what he wants.
Al was a genius. He saw that genius in Kiffen way before anyone else. However, I’ve already had my fill of Kiffen as a coach of one of my favorite teams. He may win, but I would prefer to enjoy his schtick from afar.
I started watching the Raiders when Al gave Bo the green light to play both sports. I still have a problem getting over how that petulant, spoiled version of Kiffen behaved back in the day. Al was tough to deal with, but he also gave the kid a chance of a lifetime and he took a big dump on the franchise on his way out. The Tennessee fiasco was no surprise to me. Kiffen does what he wants.
Al was a genius. He saw that genius in Kiffen way before anyone else. However, I’ve already had my fill of Kiffen as a coach of one of my favorite teams. He may win, but I would prefer to enjoy his schtick from afar.
Posted on 12/18/20 at 10:51 am to Pettifogger
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sounds like the biggest issue is Campbell's lack of interest, which is too bad
No; the problem with Campbell is that he's a pure Midwest guy with no ties to this region. Recruiting would be a major problem with him, and also, he has no interest in even coming to this region. He's a good football coach and his "lunch-pail" style works well where he's at - but if you can't see by now that this conference and division requires much more than just "X's and O's", then you're kinda out of it.
Go take a look at where Iowa State's recruiting is at this year while they're riding a "huge" season. Apart from a 2-3 kids from Texas and ~1 from Florida, his entire class is made up of Midwest kids. He's never recruited down here.
It's just not a fit, or at least its not one I'd want to bet on working in the SEC West.
Posted on 12/18/20 at 10:51 am to Rhino5
I'd offer these as my reasons I like his resume-
1. He's worked in meaningful capacity under the undisputed best for a couple of different stints
2. He's had significant success at ULL, especially compared to where they were when he got there
3. I've watched a couple interviews, and I like his demeanor and the things he says-he talks about and seems to understand football at a high level from an organizational and programmatic standpoint.
1. He's worked in meaningful capacity under the undisputed best for a couple of different stints
2. He's had significant success at ULL, especially compared to where they were when he got there
3. I've watched a couple interviews, and I like his demeanor and the things he says-he talks about and seems to understand football at a high level from an organizational and programmatic standpoint.
Posted on 12/18/20 at 10:55 am to BuckFama334
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Please link an article or this is all horseshite... Unless you are a PI employed by Layla Kiffin or something.
You need an article to gauge the personality of a 45 year old man who's on Twitter trolling like he's 18 years old? He is perpetually immature and that has always been the reason why his career has spiralled to where it's at. His issues are known to people who actually know what's happening behind the scenes. He's not where he's at now, one year removed from salvaging his career at Florida Atlantic, because he got unlucky.
This post was edited on 12/18/20 at 10:57 am
Posted on 12/18/20 at 11:02 am to metafour
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You need an article to gauge the personality of a 45 year old man who's on Twitter trolling like he's 18 years old? He is perpetually immature
This is my biggest issue with him.
ETA There is a reason he hasn't been in one place very long. He either thinks the pastures are greener somewhere else or he gets run off.
This post was edited on 12/18/20 at 11:04 am
Posted on 12/18/20 at 11:05 am to metafour
I agree on Campbell. He will be Michigan's HC when it opens next.
Posted on 12/18/20 at 11:09 am to BuckFama334
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Who is your guy, Pettifogger?
In a vacuum? Matt Campbell, but it's not happening.
Of realistic options at one point or another -
I was good with Mario although I think his program would have to be a lights out recruiting operation rather than an excellently coached one (like Kirby/UGA).
Sark and Kiff both have their appeal. But Sark just doesn't really strike me as ready for the grind over here. He was merely ok at prior stops and for whatever reason I just don't see the hunger in him for this type of job. Kiff has it, obviously, but I think there is a high percentage chance hiring LK would end badly and I'm not sure we can afford that kind of drama.
It's rolling the dice, but I'm good with Elliot or Napier if they can be gotten for reasonable money. It would bring a lot of enthusiasm to the program and it wouldn't cripple us financially if it didn't work. My gut tells me one of these is the most realistic option if we're going to avoid Steele.
One guy I've shite on over the years but I'm warming up to - Venables. If he's interested, I'm interested. To me, he's like the upgraded model of the Steele hire. Unlike Steele, he's a truly elite DC. Unlike Steele, he hasn't whiffed at being a HC then spent 20 more years being a DC without taking another shot. It would also be a very justifiable hire from a media/PR perspective, and I like the precedent of a guy who has been considered/discussed for every top vacancy for like 5 years taking the AU job. Sort of a "well after all that shitshow Auburn actually made a respectable hire, kudos" thing.
Posted on 12/18/20 at 11:14 am to metafour
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No; the problem with Campbell is that he's a pure Midwest guy with no ties to this region. Recruiting would be a major problem with him, and also, he has no interest in even coming to this region. He's a good football coach and his "lunch-pail" style works well where he's at - but if you can't see by now that this conference and division requires much more than just "X's and O's", then you're kinda out of it.
Go take a look at where Iowa State's recruiting is at this year while they're riding a "huge" season. Apart from a 2-3 kids from Texas and ~1 from Florida, his entire class is made up of Midwest kids. He's never recruited down here.
It's just not a fit, or at least its not one I'd want to bet on working in the SEC West.
He's the best pure program builder on the board. He's also likely going to end up the NFL, at Notre Dame/Michigan or similar. Any major school that doesn't consider him seriously is a probably not conducting a very good coaching search.
I've spent time in Ames, he's a miracle worker. There is literally nothing there. The recruiting question aside, which is a valid contention, I think he'd get interest from any SEC school IF he was interested in coming to the region.
Hence, "the biggest issue is Campbell's lack of interest." If you consider him the best overall coach available, and I think many (including many in major SEC programs) would, you at least talk to him and see what his vision for your SEC program would be and how he'd remedy his inexperience recruiting the Southeast. We didn't, likely due to a combination of his high cost to get here and his lack of interest, as noted.
Posted on 12/18/20 at 11:25 am to metafour
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Go take a look at where Iowa State's recruiting is at this year while they're riding a "huge" season. Apart from a 2-3 kids from Texas and ~1 from Florida, his entire class is made up of Midwest kids. He's never recruited down here.
That probably has more to do with him being stuck in Ames, Iowa than anything. You're not gonna convince a lot of kids outside of the Midwest to spend 3-4 years of their youth in Ames. It's not like Iowa St. is a powerhouse program.
This post was edited on 12/18/20 at 11:26 am
Posted on 12/18/20 at 11:33 am to Pettifogger
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Sark and Kiff both have their appeal. But Sark just doesn't really strike me as ready for the grind over here. He was merely ok at prior stops and for whatever reason I just don't see the hunger in him for this type of job. Kiff has it, obviously, but I think there is a high percentage chance hiring LK would end badly and I'm not sure we can afford that kind of drama.
I've seen quite a lot of Bama fans say that they hope we stay away from Kiffin and Sark, especially Sark. They're scared of what they can do offensively, but a FOX turdsack talking head from the midwest was on Finebaum last night basically saying that Sark might not have interest due to some promises made. I don't know if this is a not-so-secret secret, or he's just making it up because he thinks he's putting two and two together. He's also another guy that thinks Saban isn't long for coaching.
Posted on 12/18/20 at 11:37 am to jsmoove
Give me Kiffin as HC and Champ as DC just to right the D the O and rectify recruiting in short order
Posted on 12/18/20 at 11:37 am to Luke
SEC would literally beg for mercy baw
Posted on 12/18/20 at 11:43 am to jsmoove
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I've seen quite a lot of Bama fans say that they hope we stay away from Kiffin and Sark, especially Sark. They're scared of what they can do offensively, but a FOX turdsack talking head from the midwest was on Finebaum last night basically saying that Sark might not have interest due to some promises made. I don't know if this is a not-so-secret secret, or he's just making it up because he thinks he's putting two and two together. He's also another guy that thinks Saban isn't long for coaching.
I think a lot of the built in appeal for Sark is based on something pretty speculative - that he'd get the Bama gig or that Bama doesn't want us to have him.
To be clear, I'm sure they don't want us to get Sark because he's a great fit for what they do. I don't know that they're worried about his success running our program.
Some posters I respect, including a former college position coach on another board, are very wary of Sark. They think he's certainly talented, but they don't think he's got the mental fortitude to handle this type of job. So that's probably tainted my opinion, as well as my observation that his demeanor just doesn't look the part of a guy ready to take the step to running a high intensity-high pressure program.
I know they floated on the other boards yesterday that he might command a high salary or high buyout. So obviously that could be an obstacle when paired with the other reservations. I do think there is fear of another Kirby thing, where we pass or won't agree to terms only to watch him waltz into success at a rival program.
Posted on 12/18/20 at 11:48 am to IAmNERD
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That probably has more to do with him being stuck in Ames, Iowa than anything. You're not gonna convince a lot of kids outside of the Midwest to spend 3-4 years of their youth in Ames. It's not like Iowa St. is a powerhouse program.
For Auburn, I just don't think there are a lot of better "test jobs" we could use at this point. We're not quite to the level that we're likely to pull someone from a big P5 school in most cases. There are exceptions - Cristobal may have been one. I think Gundy would take the AU job. But generally not guys riding high over multiple years at their school.
So I think Campbell is one of those guys who truly has done all he can at the lesser school, but he's been able to do it against decent competition and littered his resume with top 10 wins over very legit programs. Anyway, this is all for sport because he's not coming, but that's why I liked the idea of Campbell so much. I just don't think the chance to hire a guy coming off historic seasons at a big conference school happen often, especially for a program at our level (top but not blue blood).
Posted on 12/18/20 at 11:52 am to Pettifogger
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So I think Campbell is one of those guys who truly has done all he can at the lesser school, but he's been able to do it against decent competition and littered his resume with top 10 wins over very legit programs.
With all that said, then you should like the guy that waxed him with even lesser talent than Iowa State has: Napier.
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