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re: Kiffin’s comments
Posted on 11/3/22 at 9:49 am to Rabern57
Posted on 11/3/22 at 9:49 am to Rabern57
After some of the things that went down with Harsin I can almost guarantee you Auburn won’t even consider Urban after his past actions at Jacksonville, Ohio State, etc
Being a dick and maybe slightly racist towards players is one thing, actually assaulting them is on another level and anyone who wants that POS at Auburn, get help.
I’d rather see Harsin at Auburn for the next decade than let that scum anywhere near our sideline or locker room.
Being a dick and maybe slightly racist towards players is one thing, actually assaulting them is on another level and anyone who wants that POS at Auburn, get help.
I’d rather see Harsin at Auburn for the next decade than let that scum anywhere near our sideline or locker room.
This post was edited on 11/3/22 at 9:50 am
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Posted on 11/3/22 at 9:54 am to Rabern57
I will take 8-9 wins over a scandal any day.
Posted on 11/3/22 at 9:59 am to Blueline379
quote:You are not guaranteed a scandal won't happen under any of them. If that's all that mattered then every top coach in the nation would be out of a job.
I will take 8-9 wins over a scandal any day.
And people saying they would rather only win 8 or 9 games a year to look good morally are full of it and saying it because they favor a coach that doesn't standout on the field compared to the rest. Harsin looked great on paper too until he got to Auburn and all those little things people overlooked proved what kind of coach he really was.
This post was edited on 11/3/22 at 10:03 am
Posted on 11/3/22 at 10:06 am to Rabern57
Actually I'm saying it because I don't want to lose recruits and have the university get a tarnished image because someone wants to "win better". There are a lot of good coaches out there so we don't have to settle for either of those guys. I think kiffin, rhule, fickle, are a few that could get us to at least the sec championship and possibly the natty.
Posted on 11/3/22 at 10:35 am to Blueline379
Fickell could be another Harsin as well. No SEC experience or ties to the region. Coming from a lower division where he had success doing it “his way”….would he adjust to the way it needs to be done in the SEC?
The man has never coached outside of the state of Ohio.
The man has never coached outside of the state of Ohio.
Posted on 11/3/22 at 10:37 am to slacker130
Hope you've been well, Aubro...
Posted on 11/3/22 at 11:02 am to AUWDE
I said the same thing and was proven to be naive
Posted on 11/3/22 at 11:02 am to AUWDE
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maybe slightly racist towards players
Posted on 11/3/22 at 11:03 am to Blueline379
Well I don't think we have a shot at Urban anyways but everyone on here wants to win and all have their guys. The boosters are probably in the same boat. I just don't want to end up in the same boat we are now or with Gus in 2 or 3 years. Where we aren't winning the important games and just settling for average every year. Then when Texas and Oklahoma come it it will get harder.
My main issue with sanders is he hasn't done anything at a P5 school to show what he can or can't do. The teams he's playing now are bad (38% wins). He would likely kill it in recruiting but we have nothing to compare what he can do coaching in at a big school. I think that should definitely be something to look at. It's a bigger gamble than anyone else on the fans board.
Kiffin has won games this year but the conference isn't great and the one ranked team he played beat him by double digits. Last year was more of the same. He lost to Auburn (with Harsin), Bama, and Baylor. If that had been at Auburn it would have been a bunch of complaining and only 10 wins to talk about. This year he did barely squeeze by teams like Vandy and Auburn (with Harsin) and both suck. He just seems borderline of being average and not beating the top teams isn't going to make it at Auburn (ask Gus and he beat Bama occasionally).
There is no perfect candidate out there. I just prefer someone that is proven to coach up even 2 and 3* guys and have them competing at a higher level and showing he can win the big games more times than not (at least).
My main issue with sanders is he hasn't done anything at a P5 school to show what he can or can't do. The teams he's playing now are bad (38% wins). He would likely kill it in recruiting but we have nothing to compare what he can do coaching in at a big school. I think that should definitely be something to look at. It's a bigger gamble than anyone else on the fans board.
Kiffin has won games this year but the conference isn't great and the one ranked team he played beat him by double digits. Last year was more of the same. He lost to Auburn (with Harsin), Bama, and Baylor. If that had been at Auburn it would have been a bunch of complaining and only 10 wins to talk about. This year he did barely squeeze by teams like Vandy and Auburn (with Harsin) and both suck. He just seems borderline of being average and not beating the top teams isn't going to make it at Auburn (ask Gus and he beat Bama occasionally).
There is no perfect candidate out there. I just prefer someone that is proven to coach up even 2 and 3* guys and have them competing at a higher level and showing he can win the big games more times than not (at least).
This post was edited on 11/3/22 at 11:08 am
Posted on 11/3/22 at 11:06 am to Rabern57
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I just prefer someone that is proven to coach up even 2 and 3* guys and have them competing at a higher level and showing he can win the big games more times than not (at least).
Bring Tubbs home
Posted on 11/3/22 at 11:10 am to weagle99
quote:Honestly on the field, scandal aside and who you really want, that is why I favor Freeze. That's who he reminds me of.
Bring Tubbs home
Posted on 11/3/22 at 11:14 am to Rabern57
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I just prefer someone that is proven to coach up even 2 and 3* guys
There have been zero recent NCs won by teams with low talent levels. There have, however, been multiple NCs won by teams with high talent levels and weak coaches.
Posted on 11/3/22 at 11:16 am to weagle99
Those days of coaching up 2* and 3* players to complete with 5* are long gone. There are same teams that are in the championship conversation every year and it's because of their recruiting. If we truly want to be in that conversation we need a BIG time recruiter. It's hard to have well-coached 2* and 3* players compete with high 4* and 5* players when they are well coached as well.
Posted on 11/3/22 at 11:22 am to AA7
quote:Yeah but the NIL will bring the 4 and 5*s. But those coaches can coach up guys to fill in when needed and will also make a difference with 4* guys too. I just used that as an example because one that can do that can coach anyone.
There have been zero recent NCs won by teams with low talent levels. There have, however, been multiple NCs won by teams with high talent levels and weak coaches.
This post was edited on 11/3/22 at 11:25 am
Posted on 11/3/22 at 11:26 am to AUWDE
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Fickell could be another Harsin as well
this is a fair criticism for sure but he was at ohio state from 2004-2016, which is a LONG time to be at a top 3 school and learn how things are done at the highest level, under two great coaches in tressel and urban. he has a track record of being a top recruiter. he is miles beyond Harsin from what i can tell. but i definitely understand hesitation around him. he'd be about like rhule imo. i think he was considered for a lot of the top jobs last year too - USC, ND, LSU - but wanted to stick it out with his guys because they made history by making the playoff. which says a lot about what other programs think about his capabilities, and says a lot about his character too.
This post was edited on 11/3/22 at 11:31 am
Posted on 11/3/22 at 11:36 am to Rabern57
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Yeah but the NIL will bring the 4 and 5*s
Based on what? Have you paid attention to the last few classes?
Posted on 11/3/22 at 11:37 am to AUWDE
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Fickell could be another Harsin as well. No SEC experience or ties to the region. Coming from a lower division where he had success doing it “his way”….would he adjust to the way it needs to be done in the SEC?
The man has never coached outside of the state of Ohio.
This is a pretty poor comparison. The difference between Fickell and Harsin is that Fickell spent like 15 years at Ohio State and was even AHC there. Believe it or not, Ohio State is basically a defacto SEC school from the north. They operate in the exact same manner.
Harsin's issue is that he had no idea how to operate a program of this stature against this level of competition. That's why he had no idea how to properly recruit or even how hard he needed to recruit or why it was important. Anyone who spent that much time at Ohio State already understands these things by default.
Also, Fickell spent like 15 years recruiting the state of Florida and the South East on behalf of OSU. They did in fact recruit this region. He isn't a complete fish out of water.
Either way, it's still not the best "fit" and he would be further down the list of options, but I don't agree that he would be anything like Harsin or that he wouldn't understand the magnitude of SEC football.
Posted on 11/3/22 at 11:47 am to kung fu kenny
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i think we will have the money to enable to him to grab a good coordinator
He’d be happy to get Lebby back as OC too
Posted on 11/3/22 at 12:46 pm to AA7
quote:There's alot of competition and from the looks of it the only players that came did so in spite of our coach and left after they had enough. Half a class isn't coincidence and he didn't recruit them hard.
Based on what? Have you paid attention to the last few classes?
When Auburn is up and doesn't have a bad coach it can help recruit itself. The NIL hasn't been in place when we've been good enough to see what we can do.
This post was edited on 11/3/22 at 12:49 pm
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