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Posted on 10/7/19 at 10:53 am
Posted by Luke
1113 Chartres Street, NOLA
Member since Nov 2004
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Posted on 10/7/19 at 10:53 am
I truly believe Nix to be our best option at QB and that our real issue, the one of major concern, is the lack of quality offensive line starters and backups. The lack of successful recruiting is a big concern. With that, it doesn’t matter who is at QB because we will likely see similar results against top competitors. Many of you question my loyalty to the program because of my direct/frank remarks against CGM and I understand your frustration. I truly want to see AU succeed and it frustrates me to no end watching the results of poor leadership. I’m thankful that the university has rid itself of two major problems over the last few years but we are still being hampered as a program due to the decisions made by those individuals. In order for us to move forward we must examine the program as a whole and determine whether we want to be upper echelon or a 2nd tier SEC football team.
This post was edited on 10/7/19 at 11:49 am
Posted by wareaglepete
Lumon Industries
Member since Dec 2012
10936 posts
Posted on 10/7/19 at 11:04 am to
OL is a terrible problem. That said, Nix made some horrific decisions the other day. Was it due to the pressure, probably to some degree. But, when the game is on the line and it is 4th down and there is no time, you don't take off running with 20+ yards to pick up. You just sail it down the field and hope. He has to make better decisions. I am sure he will improve, but really how good is he? I hear the stuff about freshman and the road, but good grief that was really bad.

I am also not saying it needs to be a change to Gatewood, but I just don't see how in the world the guy got zero snaps Saturday when Nix was obviously playing terribly.

In regard to Gus, all I know is we have different players but the same issues every year. He has the play calling back, it is his offense, yet year after year the offense is our problem. The defense is steady most of the time. They suffer late in games when the offense can't get out of its own way. Seems to me we all know what the issue is.
This post was edited on 10/7/19 at 11:07 am
Posted by Prometheus
Member since May 2012
6195 posts
Posted on 10/7/19 at 11:06 am to
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our real issue, the one of major concern, is the lack of quality offensive line starters and backups.


You think it's bad now, just wait until next year when all of our "experienced" line starters are gone.

Going to be really, really ugly.
Posted by allin2010
Auburn
Member since Aug 2011
18150 posts
Posted on 10/7/19 at 11:07 am to
A little early in the season to get rid of Gus, but I am convinced he will never make it to the playoffs.

Against good defenses with speed, his offense no longer works. This is not 2013, defenses adjusted, Gus did not.

We are living in purgatory...
Posted by AUtigR24
Happy Hour
Member since Apr 2011
19755 posts
Posted on 10/7/19 at 11:14 am to
Good play callers and offenses can negate bad Oline play. Believe it or not, not all teams have good Olines. You have to work around your strengths. Gus should have implemented a quick spread passing game using hastings, stove, Schwartz etc. He doesn't know what he's doing. We all know it, analyst know it, other coaches know it.
This post was edited on 10/7/19 at 11:17 am
Posted by jvilletiger25
jacksonville, fl
Member since Jan 2014
16993 posts
Posted on 10/7/19 at 11:23 am to
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I truly believe Nix to be our best option at QB


Stopped right there
Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
War Damn Eagle Dad!
Member since Oct 2010
105389 posts
Posted on 10/7/19 at 11:51 am to
As much as I support Gus and he has done some good things for our school and program. I am afraid our OL issue will always be an issue because of the offense we run. Yes we have gotten some in the NFL, but pale in comparison to other programs. Gus needs a big name OL coach. I believe top OL talent are starting to look past us for more NFL friendly places at their position.

I say this based on our OL recruiting the last few years, and looking forward it doesn’t look great. Our OL was an issue Saturday, but Bo had opportunities to win that game and didn’t execute. That doesn’t mean he won’t be bad arse in the future, but it wasn’t all the OL that caused his issues.

I thought Gus should have used Joey in several occasions and maybe should have let him run a series. I’m no expert just speculation and hell, we were struggling bad.

I really felt for our defense, especially the lineman who freaking went off on UF. I’m disappointed that others couldn’t rise to the occasion with them.

I will finish with this. In a game of that magnitude and scoring opportunities limited, and then losing. Every mistake becomes visible and criticized. So I am not in mass change mode because we lost a very tough one and we all know we had chances to win despite the bag of errors. I am looking to see how they respond coming out of break.
Posted by Luke
1113 Chartres Street, NOLA
Member since Nov 2004
13403 posts
Posted on 10/7/19 at 11:53 am to
Well stated WDE
This post was edited on 10/7/19 at 11:54 am
Posted by AuburnTigers
Member since Aug 2013
6937 posts
Posted on 10/7/19 at 12:00 pm to
The offensive line played fine. Nix had plenty of time to throw for the most part. Hell, they were going up against one of the best DLs in the SEC and yet people are bitching because our OL isnt throwing them around like rag dolls
Posted by Tigerman97
Member since Jun 2014
10354 posts
Posted on 10/7/19 at 12:04 pm to
The OL is fine if you stay out of the pulling garbage against elite DL's. Watch a game on Sunday and you never see more than a single guy pulling and hardly anyone pulling at all. The athleticism at that level prevents them from getting on their blocks...it's my theory why our line can look so good against marginal talent and so bad against elite talent.

That being said the OL gave Bo enough time to beat UF, but he didn't hit the throws that were given to him.
This post was edited on 10/7/19 at 12:05 pm
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
36276 posts
Posted on 10/7/19 at 12:05 pm to
Supposedly, we only had two OL grade out above 60. Tega at 69, Kim at 64.
Posted by Tigerman97
Member since Jun 2014
10354 posts
Posted on 10/7/19 at 12:07 pm to
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Supposedly, we only had two OL grade out above 60. Tega at 69, Kim at 64.



I'd be curious to see the pass pro grades vs run grades. Against a team like UF I thought the pass protected relatively well considering there was almost no run game.
Posted by AuburnTigers
Member since Aug 2013
6937 posts
Posted on 10/7/19 at 12:07 pm to
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The OL is fine if you stay out of the pulling garbage against elite DL'
First play of the game comes to mind. Like, wtf are you thinking Gus??? Trying to block the best DE in the SEC imo with a pulling guard to start the game is beyond dumb. Talk about not giving easy passes to get Nix comfortable. First play Nix gets raped with an unblocked DE
Posted by Tigerman97
Member since Jun 2014
10354 posts
Posted on 10/7/19 at 12:09 pm to
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rying to block the best DE in the SEC imo with a pulling guard to start the game is beyond dumb.


Fool me once...Fool me twice

As soon as it happened I realized it was going to be 2016 A&M all over again. You can feel when the O isn't going to work 7 years in.
Posted by AUjim
America
Member since Dec 2012
3662 posts
Posted on 10/7/19 at 12:21 pm to
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Hear me out ...


No
Posted by AuburnTigers
Member since Aug 2013
6937 posts
Posted on 10/7/19 at 12:21 pm to
It felt just like 2015 and 2016 uga games.
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
36276 posts
Posted on 10/7/19 at 12:24 pm to
Pulling guards in pass protection is a popular concept against teams with weak ends. Don’t forget it was Herb that did it against A&M. Obviously the drawbacks are tremendous if it doesn’t work, but there is a method to the madness. Being a team that likes to run power which uses pulling guards, we can really sell the run with the pulling guard.
Posted by Tigerman97
Member since Jun 2014
10354 posts
Posted on 10/7/19 at 12:27 pm to
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Pulling guards in pass protection is a popular concept against teams with weak ends. Don’t forget it was Herb that did it against A&M. Obviously the drawbacks are tremendous if it doesn’t work, but there is a method to the madness. Being a team that likes to run power which uses pulling guards, we can really sell the run with the pulling guard.



I realize...my concern with the blocking concepts is there is a reason you don't see it much on Sunday and theoretically could be the reason our OL can look so lost against top level DL's.
Posted by Rhino5
Atlanta
Member since Nov 2014
28897 posts
Posted on 10/7/19 at 12:37 pm to
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It felt just like 2015 and 2016 uga games.

Did it? That’s interesting, it didn’t feel that way for me. I lump those UGA games in with the 2 Clemson losses and LSU 2017. That’s where he kept doing the same thing over and over.

Saturday felt like we had a plan and would’ve won easily if we executed on offense.
Posted by Tigerman97
Member since Jun 2014
10354 posts
Posted on 10/7/19 at 12:53 pm to
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LSU 2017


It's hard to lop that game into it...JS had 17 chances on RPO's in the 2nd half and gave 11 of them to 75% KJ on 1st down on the wrong read...causing 2nd and long the entire 2nd half. You could blame that on Chip not drilling down the RPO reads or JS but it wasn't on Gus.
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