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re: Gov. Ivey's Stay-At-Home Order
Posted on 4/19/20 at 12:06 pm to LanierSpots
Posted on 4/19/20 at 12:06 pm to LanierSpots
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I will give up my basic liberties for a few months for that kind of shite not to spread to people. I dont fight either way on the issue. Im not going to try to convince anyone to be one way or the other and I am not going to make any kind of stand for either side
But I am happy to sit at home for a few months so we can get to a point to develop something or just let time pass to keep that shite from spreading
it is completely unreasonable to expect businesses to survive for a few months...the way Congress has handled all of this has been a shite show
in hindsight, we should have had a full on shut down (COMPLETE) for 14 days back in March, then slow opened
Government has known more about this from day one and they have kept details from the public
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Posted on 4/19/20 at 12:48 pm to HailToTheChiz
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in hindsight, we should have had a full on shut down (COMPLETE) for 14 days back in March, then slow opened
Look at Arkansas for the appropriate response: inform people, leave businesses open, and allow people to make their own decisions. It’s worked for them.
Posted on 4/19/20 at 1:07 pm to Aubie Spr96
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Look at Arkansas for the appropriate response: inform people, leave businesses open, and allow people to make their own decisions. It’s worked for them.
But the kicker is the spread. That's fine for people assuming risk but it's not fine for those trying to avoid who may come into contact with an asymptomatic individual who got the virus
Posted on 4/19/20 at 2:24 pm to HailToTheChiz
Those trying to avoid the virus can take quarantining measures without shutting down the whole economy.
If meemaw can be anal about keeping that white carpet clean, she can be anal about her family coming over uninvited.
If meemaw can be anal about keeping that white carpet clean, she can be anal about her family coming over uninvited.
Posted on 4/19/20 at 2:49 pm to jangalang
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If meemaw can be anal about keeping that white carpet clean, she can be anal about her family coming over uninvited.
Valid point. Now let’s think through this part though, how is meemaw supposed to get groceries, medicine, and any other supplies?
Posted on 4/19/20 at 2:54 pm to AA7
Publix delivery and Amazon would go a long way. Prescription drugs would be tricky I’m guessing.
Posted on 4/19/20 at 3:06 pm to Ross
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Publix delivery and Amazon would go a long way. Prescription drugs would be tricky I’m guessing.
Agreed, but how do we know the Instacart drivers haven’t been exposed since they’ve gone about their lives as normal. Last I saw the virus can survive on plastic for up to three days.
I’m ready to open things up as much as anyone else, but it’s a bit more complicated than saying “all you old people stay home”. Take Lanier’s friend for example, he got it and has no clue how he did. The fact it’s so communicable makes this a tough thing to tackle. Hoping we are nearing the end.
Posted on 4/19/20 at 3:12 pm to HailToTheChiz
There is no stopping the spread of a virus which there is no immunity and more than 20% of the carriers are asymptomatic.
This whole ordeal has been total bullshite.
This whole ordeal has been total bullshite.
Posted on 4/19/20 at 3:15 pm to Aubie Spr96
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There is no stopping the spread of a virus which there is no immunity and more than 20% of the carriers are asymptomatic.
I think most agree with this. I don’t really see a scenario where everyone doesn’t get the virus at some point, the goal is to make sure everyone doesn’t get sick at once.
Posted on 4/19/20 at 3:41 pm to Aubie Spr96
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This whole ordeal has been total bullshite.
60,000 or so deaths vs 1 Million is not bs. If it had been allowed to circulate unchecked, hospitals would have been overrun compounding death from all sorts of causes including increased numbers of covid.
What is complete BS is that the Federal Government has STILL not solved the testing issue in mid-April.
This post was edited on 4/19/20 at 3:43 pm
Posted on 4/19/20 at 4:51 pm to AA7
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The fact it’s so communicable makes this a tough thing to tackle.
There is good reason to believe the transmissibility rate will reduce as it warms and the humidity rises. That doesn't mean you can't get it or won't get it, but if it stays alive 3 days on plastic in a warmer more humid climate the fats of the virus break down making the virus less likely to attach to us...that being said the possibility of aerosol transfer will still exist and the ability to shed it in a home, the #1 traceable infection route, will still be viable.
Posted on 4/19/20 at 5:26 pm to Ross
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Publix delivery and Amazon would go a long way. Prescription drugs would be tricky I’m guessing.
The post office and CVS have been partnered up since before the outbreak. Regardless, measures can be made by the particularly vulnerable, and by the families of the vulnerable. I’ve seen it in my family, and in my community. I have a 5 year old nephew with Jacobsen syndrome, a weak immune system, and multiple other medical issues. The parents have known for years that taking measures to protect his health required effort on their part.
I’ve also seen grocery stores dedicate the first hour of service for seniors. We talk about the collective well-being, but originally the responsibility of caring for the vulnerable fell upon the communities and the church, not the government. Things get messy when the government is involved. Departing from the medical side of the argument, I do wonder about the repercussions of the encroachment of civil liberties. Liberties are worth fighting for. If the ACLU can stand up for something as disgusting as Nazi’s freedom of speech in 1977, there should also be a defense for those that were arrested for simply peacefully gathering. Even if this one time is justified, the precedent goes forward.
Posted on 4/19/20 at 7:12 pm to jangalang
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The post office and CVS have been partnered up since before the outbreak. Regardless, measures can be made by the particularly vulnerable, and by the families of the vulnerable. I’ve seen it in my family, and in my community. I have a 5 year old nephew with Jacobsen syndrome, a weak immune system, and multiple other medical issues. The parents have known for years that taking measures to protect his health required effort on their part.
I’ve also seen grocery stores dedicate the first hour of service for seniors. We talk about the collective well-being, but originally the responsibility of caring for the vulnerable fell upon the communities and the church, not the government. Things get messy when the government is involved. Departing from the medical side of the argument, I do wonder about the repercussions of the encroachment of civil liberties. Liberties are worth fighting for. If the ACLU can stand up for something as disgusting as Nazi’s freedom of speech in 1977, there should also be a defense for those that were arrested for simply peacefully gathering. Even if this one time is justified, the precedent goes forward.
I’ve avoided the subject for fear of sounding cold or unempathetic, but I agree wholeheartedly that the infringement of our liberties is immensely troubling on precedent alone and I personally view many of the measures imposed by our respective governments as overreach.
It is my hope that we see a gradual reopening occur in May, because I don’t know what this country will look like if we are still in lockdown in June, but the trends in unemployment kind of speak for themselves with how dire it might get for a substantial amount of people in this nation. The most vulnerable can take measures to self isolate and should not be punished for that in the interim period, and social distancing can still be encouraged upon the soft reopening of many businesses. I think some of what you’ve touched on are great tools to ensure we minimize the spread upon reopening to those most vulnerable.
I’m personally just very blessed that my main source of income comes from a DoD contractor and has therefor been mostly insulated from any economic slowdown thus far.
This post was edited on 4/19/20 at 8:26 pm
Posted on 4/19/20 at 8:16 pm to Ross
Civil liberties 
taken away
The precedent of being socially conscious (by hiding out) was made for the common good. Most people, including most here recognize this is and also knew it was enacted to be temporary in nature. It wasn't stealing civil liberties.
It was the moral high ground and taken despite extraordinary hardships. Often in the face of knowing it would be them paying the cost. I commend those people; however there are others I'm glad to have not known personally. Because their stock as upright honorable men has taken a bigger hit than they realize. And it was all because we expressly exercised our civil liberties, as free men, to do what businesses would never dare do.
Am I ready to assimilate and get the economy rolling again? Hell yeah. And even then I'm sure it'll still be costly. But at least we'll have given it our best shot despite the few that couldn't be counted upon to do more than belly ache, bitch, and moan.
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eta: and no this WAS NOT directed at you Ross - it just happened your post was the one above
taken away The precedent of being socially conscious (by hiding out) was made for the common good. Most people, including most here recognize this is and also knew it was enacted to be temporary in nature. It wasn't stealing civil liberties.
It was the moral high ground and taken despite extraordinary hardships. Often in the face of knowing it would be them paying the cost. I commend those people; however there are others I'm glad to have not known personally. Because their stock as upright honorable men has taken a bigger hit than they realize. And it was all because we expressly exercised our civil liberties, as free men, to do what businesses would never dare do.
Am I ready to assimilate and get the economy rolling again? Hell yeah. And even then I'm sure it'll still be costly. But at least we'll have given it our best shot despite the few that couldn't be counted upon to do more than belly ache, bitch, and moan.
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eta: and no this WAS NOT directed at you Ross - it just happened your post was the one above
This post was edited on 4/19/20 at 8:18 pm
Posted on 4/19/20 at 9:27 pm to awestruck
What part of “can not be infringed on” do you not understand? Regardless of circumstance. If you make any exception to those rights then you can make many exceptions. There are no exceptions period!!! Or shouldn’t be. I’m sorry you feel that the government has the right to determine who and when people can move about, how they can run their businesses, and what you can buy but the government regardless of the situation doesn’t have those rights. We submitted to the recommendations for the common good but it is clear now herd immunity with already known treatments is the only way to go. Will some people die? Yes. Could I be one of those people? Yes. Could my mother? Yes. But Liberty freedom and the pursuit of happiness is far greater then I am.
New York City normally has 25 deaths per day at home. That number is now running about 250 a day. Only about 30% of that increase is from the virus. The rest is because people aren’t getting their normal health care for the most part because other then the ERs the doctors are not treating patients. So people doing the “right moral things” are still dying.
This statement isn’t for everyone and if you aren’t a believer then just ignored. But if you are that fearful of death maybe you should check your standing in your faith of Jesus. I don’t want to die obviously but I am not scared of death. What’s weird is is that death is a part of life.
New York City normally has 25 deaths per day at home. That number is now running about 250 a day. Only about 30% of that increase is from the virus. The rest is because people aren’t getting their normal health care for the most part because other then the ERs the doctors are not treating patients. So people doing the “right moral things” are still dying.
This statement isn’t for everyone and if you aren’t a believer then just ignored. But if you are that fearful of death maybe you should check your standing in your faith of Jesus. I don’t want to die obviously but I am not scared of death. What’s weird is is that death is a part of life.
Posted on 4/19/20 at 10:02 pm to CorchJay
Well said Corch!
Posted on 4/19/20 at 11:00 pm to War Eagle 1975
Also to follow-up on lockdowns or shut downs or whatever we are trying to refer to this as. In Europe, Sweden has the lowest death rate and they haven’t closed anything. Italy and the UK have much much higher rates and have shut down basically everything. In the US, Florida’s death per million is much lower then New York’s. California total is much lower then New York, but LA the percentage jumps up a good bit deaths per million average. In Mongolia, had a severe strain of the flu (some type of H1N1 strain) many deaths many deaths among children. Covid-19... they only have 39 cases because the sick in the country died from the flu.
What other area do you want me to discuss in opposing the shutdown? Minnesota In most of the cases in Minnesota the infections and deaths were from essential employees so shutdown or no shutdown those people would have gotten it. Heath care workers in NYC make up many of the infected but they are essential would still have gotten it. Plus add on the 4000 deaths that were just “declared” covid regardless of the reason.
Some of the geniuses on here explain this to me?
What other area do you want me to discuss in opposing the shutdown? Minnesota In most of the cases in Minnesota the infections and deaths were from essential employees so shutdown or no shutdown those people would have gotten it. Heath care workers in NYC make up many of the infected but they are essential would still have gotten it. Plus add on the 4000 deaths that were just “declared” covid regardless of the reason.
Some of the geniuses on here explain this to me?
Posted on 4/20/20 at 1:19 am to AA7
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Valid point. Now let’s think through this part though, how is meemaw supposed to get groceries, medicine, and any other supplies?
How is she getting those supplies in a total shutdown? She’s going out where there are people that are infected or someone is brining it to her.
You can do things like have groceries delivered. She can sanitize anything that’s delivered. Most cleaning products kill the virus instantly. You can do things that have already been done like an hour or two at the grocery store just for senior citizens.
I feel like people want a solution that gives everybody zero risks. When in reality, there’s never going to be anything that doesn’t come with some risks especially for old vulnerable people.
This post was edited on 4/20/20 at 1:23 am
Posted on 4/20/20 at 1:58 am to CorchJay
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In Europe, Sweden has the lowest death rate and they haven’t closed anything
Once again, you bring incorrect information to this thread. Sweden has one of the highest rates in the world at 152 people per 1m population. Higher than the US (123 per 1m population).
By contrast, neighboring Denmark with more strict measures than the US has 61 per 1m population.
Also, Sweden has one of the worst case mortality rates at over 10%
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What other area do you want me to discuss in opposing the shutdown?
Let's start with you fact checking your sources before you try to bring other stats
Posted on 4/20/20 at 3:03 am to GenesChin
You trust Bloomberg as a source??? I compared Sweden to Italy and the UK when speaking of the differences in Europe. 3 similar type countries as far as dependable reporting and stats.
Here’s your source shove it....
LINK
You also have to take into consideration testing and reporting. We will see how it turns out but bet many things depend on cultural differences. Much like in the USfor whatever reason the infection and death rates are among blacks higher then whites but the reporting you get is because of systemic racism... Huh? So why are the Hasidic Jews rates so much higher then other Jews in Israel? Racism? I believe cultural differences is a major player in infection. We will see how this all turns out but this isn’t the Spanish flu or the black plaque. In the end the mortality rate will probably turn out to be around 3 percent and 90% of that 3 percent will be people between the ages of 70-90.
Another thought and this is just my opinion but what about New York City... the most densely populous area in the US... if dogs and cats can get covid can rats? They have nothing to eat there now with no restaurants throwing food out now. They are turning to cannibalism for food and also getting into living areas with people. Think they are washing their hands?
Y’all that want to live in a bubble go ahead. The rest of the world wants to get back to work and for me it isn’t about money I’m still working and never missed a check.
I’m outta here again until I can come back and laugh at the sky screamers!!!
Here’s your source shove it....
LINK
You also have to take into consideration testing and reporting. We will see how it turns out but bet many things depend on cultural differences. Much like in the USfor whatever reason the infection and death rates are among blacks higher then whites but the reporting you get is because of systemic racism... Huh? So why are the Hasidic Jews rates so much higher then other Jews in Israel? Racism? I believe cultural differences is a major player in infection. We will see how this all turns out but this isn’t the Spanish flu or the black plaque. In the end the mortality rate will probably turn out to be around 3 percent and 90% of that 3 percent will be people between the ages of 70-90.
Another thought and this is just my opinion but what about New York City... the most densely populous area in the US... if dogs and cats can get covid can rats? They have nothing to eat there now with no restaurants throwing food out now. They are turning to cannibalism for food and also getting into living areas with people. Think they are washing their hands?
Y’all that want to live in a bubble go ahead. The rest of the world wants to get back to work and for me it isn’t about money I’m still working and never missed a check.
I’m outta here again until I can come back and laugh at the sky screamers!!!
This post was edited on 4/20/20 at 3:37 am
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